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| Stefan Lloyd   Really should get out more   Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Topic: 49er medal race Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 7:27pm | 
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 TV appeal was certainly on the recent list of desiderata that the IOC presented to the ISAF in relation to class selection. The fact that TV-friendly sports are being deselected doesn't imply that TV appeal is irrelevant; they are being dropped for other reasons. TV rights are how the IOC makes much of its money. It's as simple as that. 
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| Rupert   Really should get out more   Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 7:44pm | 
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   Well, the BBC obviously only care about medals, not exciting pics, as there was no mention of the 49ers at all just now on the highlights. Lets face it, the whole country went mad about bowling on ice with brooms at the last winter games because it was the only thing the brits could do. What the sport is seems not to matter, but being good at it and having media friendly faces seems to be what matters, so each country follows the sports they are good at. 
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| Contender 541   Really should get out more     Joined: 05 Dec 05 Location: Burton on Trent Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 7:49pm | 
| But the question still remains.... How did the jury rule? | |
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| timeintheboat   Really should get out more   Joined: 01 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 615 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 7:56pm | 
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   Well I thought the 49er race was bonkers but I was up shouting at the TV- great drama. Get it up on You Tube! In the spirit of sportsmanship I hope the Danes get it.  As I have said on my other posts on the olympics - the TV coverage leaves a lot to be desired - and it isn't easy - especially in those conditions however I am sure that a director who had done some dinghy racing could have made a better fist of it. How windy was it (km/h - what happened to the Beaufort scale?) where were the boats - GPS is OK as long as it is give some perspective on the course. | |
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| laser4000   Really should get out more   Joined: 02 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 589 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 8:03pm | 
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 Protest adjourned to Monday.. Looks like this is where John Doerr earns his keep...still I can't think of anyone I'd rather have chairing the jury for that decision... | |
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| laser4000   Really should get out more   Joined: 02 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 589 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 8:04pm | 
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 I agree - in fact there seemed to be more footage of 'our guys' competiton in the pommel horse than the winning of 2 golds by the sailors...pathetic | |
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| simon hiscocks   Newbie   Joined: 10 Oct 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 8:25pm | 
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   Hi,
 Thought I might give a bit of inside information about the 49ers and the race today! Firstly, All the guys out there are between about 6 - 10 kg below optimum weight. Now when you sail that much below weight the handling gets a lot harder, but more importantly the range of angles you can sail down wind get a lot narrower. This then reduces your options on how to avoid the worst waves. Which means that you dont avoid them and down the mine you go!!! They dont look like they are going very fast down wind, and are probably faster in the 10 - 14 knot range, as they are desperately trying to slow down, if you let the boat rip at full speed you start to rapidly overtake waves, launch off the top of them and come to a rapid and gear breaking nose dive. ( see pics of boats stern to the air ) So they are going down wind at wave speed or slightly faster, trying to ease your way past the waves and if you can arround them. The skill is to look a few waves in front to try and pick your way through. To get back to the crew weight, this effects your ability to find your way through the waves, the boat loads up earlier etc etc. This is nothing new to any of the sailors out there they have all seen at events this year and in training, but the gains in the light out weigh the one windy race. So you get majority of time bobbing about and then when there is some wind its a crash and fall over session. Dont blame the boats or the sailors. Its the choice of venue which is to blame. Having said that if the games had been in weymouth this last week at least 3 days would have been lost to too much wind!!! The sea conditions in Qingdao when it gets windy are pretty unusual, every windy race there has been there has seen the same results! Cleary the Danes deserved to win that event, however preserving your gear and equipment is all part of the skill set required to win Gold medals, if they are denied there win it is not due to the protest comittee but to there own misjudgment and equipment maintenance. If there hull has been damaged, which as mentioned is a common failiure when the mast falls down then I cannot see why they should not be allowed to replace it in order to compete, why they had to use the CRO sails as well remains a question. Should they be dsq and loose the Gold medal it could be argued that the medal race format has back fired on ISAF, or may be it did exactly what it is inteded to do and create drama! | |
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| JimC   Really should get out more     Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 8:36pm | 
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   Simon, you don't find that the heavier boys go down the mine faster in the 49er then? It seems to be a feature of certain shorter classes that the more lard there is on board the faster the bow goes down. 
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| Lukepiewalker   Really should get out more     Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 8:49pm | 
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   Official wind speed was 14knots, but seems to have conked out after the first sausage. http://www.sailing.org/olympics/resultscentre.php?raceid=126 Ynglings and Finns were registered as 16knots or thereabouts. | |
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| Mark Jardine   Admin Group     Joined: 12 Mar 04 Location: Milford-on-Sea, United King Online Status: Offline Posts: 1028 |  Post Options  Quote  Reply  Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 8:56pm | 
| Simon, many thanks for your post and explanation - it's great to have such an informed opinion as to why the conditions caused so many problems. The medal race certainly caused drama! The footage and photos tell the story. I'm hoping the Danes get to keep gold - as long as they filed a request for change of equipment as soon as they got ashore. From what I've heard the mainsail was ripped when the mast came down so they couldn't have kept that from their boat. | |
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