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Interesting no-ones mentioned sponsorship as being important to a
class's future. Sponsorship by Carlsberg played a huge role in building the Mistral One Design Class in the eighties. Does Fatface & Gul not play that much of a role in boosting RS's ability to back their class with infrastructure and finance if only for communication and prizes? It's a question, I don't know, have never been to an RS event. If only in their ability to market and PR, but they (RS) come across as way and ahead the leading class to a newcomer like myself, are there better attended more successful classes? Do they offer much for a potential sponsor, on the face of it exposure to 60 singlehanded boats isn't exactly enough to justify thousands of pounds unless your product has direct potential in that niche? Whereas a couple of hundred folk in a twin crewed boat such as the suggestion of a class for single trap multi class racing seems a far wider net to cast, whoever suggested that has it spot on. What was the name of that Assymetric organisation? |
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iansmithofotley ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Otley, West Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
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TASA - thanks alzheimers setting in,
That could be the vehicle for the sort of class being spoken of earlier, a catch all for boats like the 4000, Iso, Buzz etc, the problem comes from the fact that those classes were adopted early on by the sort of avant guard "Early Adopter" culture that has now moved on for ever faster techy thrills. The traditional Syms will stay the way they are dwindling but at a slower pace, and unless something comes along that is both fast enough to tempt the pace setters yet reasonable enough to helm without having to give up your day job, it will inevitably go the same way. The windsurfing disease was limiting itself to one wind condition, planing only, the sailing problem appears to be limiting itself to light conditions with over powered rigs and high levels of apparent wind and not too many waves thanks. The idea that folk like Si Reynolds should go over the handlebars shortly after rounding the weather mark, something he'd never have done on a windsurfer, says to me the class will eventually be superceded once something happens along with apparently more or equal performance and the ability to get round a course in a reasonable breeze. And I guess that's what has happened to those others (I dont know this, I'm just making that assumption, wasn't the Boss supposed to be the performance boat to out perform all others at one time?) A good example of a class appearing to be able to re invent itself has to be the International 14, I can't think how long that has been the boy racers chariot of choice. O.K. on Queen Mary, but useless in the Channel. Surely what is required is a boat that is equally adept at performing in a Force 1 on Q.M. and a Force 6 in the Channel. Anytime, anywhere and with the possibility to continue development in the future with a class not tied to a builder and a rig open to any sailmaker and open to development. Anyway you play it, it still comes up Alto imho. But what it needs is a showcase so folk can see and appreciate what I mean. Not everyone has my clarity of vision. ![]() |
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Chas 505 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 119 |
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I think a good sponsor is extremly helpful. As for going over the handle bars that is all part of the fun ... you are showing your age grumpf Those downwinds on the first day were fantastic and being of the edge is what makes us all feel alive. Who would be interested in downhill mountain biking if there was no risk of a crash? |
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Yes exactly, but then you'd need to be an experienced techy headed trad numpty to sail it, which those boys are, be sure to give them every setting under the sun they have reams of them. We shall enjoy the challenge. A bit more even handed than at present And with us at 930 And them at what is it 850 with a monster kite? Or 900 ish? Whatever, we shall call their boat "The Lawn" And ours "The Mower" There will be no more reading the yachting times and drinking coffee mid race. They will come to know the meaning of Total Humiliation. ![]() |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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I would like to make several points. Classes that rely on the manufacturer to organise events and run the class will only last as long as the company has a commercial interest in them Some classes last because they offer fantastic racing. If you want true International (that is sailing against people who don't speak English) racing in a 2 man hiking class then get a Snipe. Then spend the summer trailing round Europe from the Agarve to Moscow. A boat for those who have a passion for tactics, rather than looking for thrills and spills. The Star will continue, even without the Olympics, because it is still the only genuine International 2 man boat for heavy weights, and the class structure is fantastic. The Dragon is far more popular now than when it was an Olympic class, because of the outstanding sailing calendar it offers to those who can afford it. Significantly, established keel boat classes seem to be thriving. I wold suggest that many club racers, especially on the coast, prefer to have some ballast under them. The Wayfarer's great strength is that sailing schools continue to buy and use them - they are still often the first sailing experience for adults. Now the price is right the class looks set for a revival. New sailors can find cheap second hand boats as soon as they have finished their course. But then racing Wayfarers always were in a minority in the class. There is an increasing tendancy for the dinghy to be the second or third boat. I know many people who sail big boats, but keep a dinghy for the frostbites and the occasional open event. Unsurprisingly, these people sail simple, easy to maintain boats ... Lasers, Ents. The boat may often be quite old, but well maintained. A class is in it's last throws when these "second boaters" start leaving. This is happening to the Ent, here in Ireland. One fascinating trend is for clubs to (often informally) limit the arms race. So some clubs will only race veteran FF15s, and I believe Rickmansworth only sail the classic wooden 14s. All these are important sectors of the dinghy scene - some distance from the trendy, must have the latest fashion trend scene that does seem to hog the limelight. All in all, the dinghy scene is a complex place
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That attitude doesn't seem to have done the Laser too much harm though does it? |
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DavidG ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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Dinghy racing is only as good as the competition. I actually think it is more satisfying to follow where the competition is rather than blindly stick with a class.
I believe that the classes that are having difficulties are those that have failed to target club racing, since this is the foundation of any classes pyramid, without a good spread of clubs actively supporting a class, support is unlikely to feed through to open meetings and championships. Any class that only exists for open meetings and championships is built on sand. If you look at the successful adult classes at the moment you will see that this is the case. Both clubs and classes should embrace this fact. Clubs could help by only supporting class racing at the expense of handicap racing which is rarely satisfactory and should only be considered as a last resort. I currently race a Solo at Salcombe, 20 boats club racing here last weekend, while 100+ at Inland Championships, I rest my case. David S4789 |
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