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    Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 11:08am

Originally posted by tornado435

For Hobie Tiger events the boat has to be as supplied by hobie with all hobie kit. To race under F18 they can use whatever bits they want.

Interesting that by putting all the go faster bits on a Tiger actually makes it go slower!

 

I realise that’s not the case – just the returns from the slower F18’s like the Hawk averaging things out - this probably shows that the system works.

 

This averaging effect gives the up-to-date f18’s a slight handicap advantage when sailing under the F18 banner, and is what you see in most classes like the Int14 etc before anybody else says it.

 

Makes we wonder if it were possible to "borrow" the software from Darlene and enter the last few year’s big events like the Piers, Forts, RTI etc (hopefully they would have kept elapsed times?) and see what happens relative to the SCHRS system, sounds like a job for Sailwave methinks?

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Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Makes we wonder if it were possible to "borrow" the software from Darlene and enter the last few year’s big events like the Piers, Forts, RTI etc (hopefully they would have kept elapsed times?) and see what happens relative to the SCHRS system, sounds like a job for Sailwave methinks?

 

We are changing the proposed changes to SCHRS by doing this.

 

The above should read "We are testing the proposed changes to SCHRS by doing this."

Thanks Port End Flyer

 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Port End Flyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 11:41am

Originally posted by Scooby_simon

... changing the proposed changes .... 

?????????

Ta ScoobySi that makes more sense now! Will you be making the results known?



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Originally posted by lostatsea

Hi, I was reading the Hurricane SX boat test as featured in Y&Y 4th feb 2006 and I noticed that in the verdict they say and I quote "It's probably an easier boat to sail than the F18 and much more of a one design class in which old boats stay competative. For instance a Dart Hawk or Inter 18 wouldn't stand a hope in current F18 racing". I'm not particulary worried about racing but I have seen a number of Hawk's listed as coming in the top 10, so are they really that far behind the new boats?. Also the PYN of the Hawk is the same as the Hobie Tiger and Hurricane and they still seem to be doing OK. I know there aren't too many Hawks about so I guess one make racing is out but it seems that most clubs allow mixed class racing anyway. What new F18 boats are still competative?.

Lostatsea, in your original post you haven’t said whether you have a Hawk or are considering one?

 

Grant Piggott tried modifying a Dart Hawk earlier this year and even with his access to sail making materials etc and his experience couldn’t make it competitive against the newer generation F18’s!

 

After trying a Hurricane SX at Bala he bought an old’ish Hurricane and bought a one design SX kit from Andy Webb and won the Hurricane SX Nationals this year.

 

The Hurricane SX also rates pretty well on SCHRS now (refer to Scooby-Simon’s earlier post) so perhaps, you should consider this route instead of the Hawk!

 

You will get access to regular one-design racing, an active Association, good resale value and a great all-round boat that also has a competitive two sail option, all of which are unlike the Hawk.

 

The only draw back I can see is that you may not be able to claim a PY of 691 like the Hawk but as Worthy said lots of clubs allow all F18’s and most other Cats to sail off 691 if they are SCHRS 1.01 the same as the Hawk and Hurricane 5.9 which the SX is!

 

Andy Webb is here-

http://www.hurricane59.com/awsailboats.php?id=awsailboats

 

Hurricane 5.9 Association is here-

http://www.hurricane59.com/default.php

 

The Hurricane Forum is here-

http://hurricane59.myfreeforum.org/index.php

 

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Originally posted by tornado435

Not many Hurricanes made it to the states and certainly no new ones in the last 8 years.

But have you checked out the Hobie Miracle 20 , spooky or what !!

(sorry to jump back in thread)

 

as for Hawks , seem good for a blast , but  H 5.9 better idea , both seem to resell anyway , Hawks because a lot of kit for not a lot and 5.9's because of crackin class association and longevity of boats.

 

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i would go for a hurricane if i were you because of the split in the fleet (due to sx kits) it seems you cant even give one away at the moment try looking on catamarran .co or ebay you can pick up a real bargin for about £1300 thats a hell of a lot of boat for  that amount of money.
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Originally posted by catmandoo

Originally posted by tornado435

Not many Hurricanes made it to the states and certainly no new ones in the last 8 years.

But have you checked out the Hobie Miracle 20 , spooky or what !!

(sorry to jump back in thread)

 

Yes, they are remarkably similar !  Surprisingly so (don't ask Reg about it)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Port End Flyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by catmandoo

Originally posted by tornado435

Not many Hurricanes made it to the states and certainly no new ones in the last 8 years.

But have you checked out the Hobie Miracle 20 , spooky or what !!

Yes, they are remarkably similar !  Surprisingly so (don't ask Reg about it)

Hadn’t come across that one myself but found this link pages 20 & 21

http://www.hobiecat.com/media/pdf/Hobie_Sailing.pdf

Hurricane 59 with modified Nacra 6.0 sail and dagger boards?

Edit - Agree with ScoobySi that is what I meant to say sorry



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Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by catmandoo

Originally posted by tornado435

Not many Hurricanes made it to the states and certainly no new ones in the last 8 years.

But have you checked out the Hobie Miracle 20 , spooky or what !!

Yes, they are remarkably similar !  Surprisingly so (don't ask Reg about it)

Hadn’t come across that one myself but found this link pages 20 & 21

http://www.hobiecat.com/media/pdf/Hobie_Sailing.pdf

With modified Nacra 6.0 sail and dagger boards?

 

More like a modified Hurricane 5.9 with  a Carbon mast and Daggerboards.  You put the two boats side by side and there is very little difference. (allegedly)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Worthy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by SX Girl

Lostatsea, in your original post you haven’t said whether you have a Hawk or are considering one?



From a previous thread lostatsea has recently bought the Hawk.  It should be fun and I hope to see lostatsea on the circuit soon.
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