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rich96 
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 Topic: Clubs still allowing sailingPosted: 21 Apr 20 at 7:22am |
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Its the risk of accidents if the journey is unnecessary, using garages, etc
Fair enough really ? With the amazing weather and wind we've had recently not being able to sail is awful but when we look at the bigger picture its only a few months and, its just a pasttime (for most of us). Not being able to work is a far far bigger issue |
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GybeFunny
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 9:34am |
I believe its for a number of reasons... If you had an accident you may require someone to get nearer than 2m to help you. If your car broke down you may require the RAC man to get nearer than 2m to you, you may also be delaying that RAC man from getting to the key worker on their way to work he has to assist next. I work for a big insurer with its own network of accident repairers and they have struggled to get certain parts due to suppliers shutting down, if you crashed your car and required the last radiator to get you up and running you may deprive a nurse of that part a few days later so he/she couldnt get to work. Personally I am not a good driver so cannot guarantee I wont crash and I drive a 10 year old car so cannot guarantee it wont break down so my car is staying on my driveway but everyone is free to make their own decisions....
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423zero
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 9:43am |
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The major problem we have is a lack of clarity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/driving-for-exercise-allowed-under-lockdown-rules-police-advised-coronavirus Regarding social distancing and visiting friends and relatives. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-police-guidelines-on-reasonable-excuses-for-leaving-home-including-cooling-off-after-a-row-11974322 Some police forces are saying essential shopping only. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-police-essential-items-shops-supermarket-stock-lockdown-a9459346.html Whole thing open to envelope stretching unfortunately, I went to my local Fruiterers Sunday morning, he had loads of plants for sale as normal, I took advantage of this, my plant pots are now full, have I been stretching the envelope ? Fruiterer said he was allowed to buy and sell plants. |
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zeon
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 11:08am |
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The clarity is in the laws and the official guidance. The lack of clarity comes with idiot ministers making off the cuff comments in the daily press conferences .
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PeterG
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 11:26am |
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Someone went out on the estuary here a couple of weeks back, just after the harbour master had banned recreational water use, and got themselves stuck on a sand bank. A passerby called the RNLI, who responded, along with the police, so lots of emergency services time used up, along with almost inevitably some inadequate social distancing.
It certainly offered a very timely illustration of why the policy was a good one.
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Peter
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Mozzy
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 12:40pm |
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There isn't any policy or law from Government that prohibits sailing (or kayak, SUP, canoe, windsurf, kitesurf, surf). It clearly is exercise. If it's local, then I'd say it's reasonable. All this 'essential exercise' interpretation, or 'essential shopping' has never been the case. It's just people confusing terms. The government guidance for exercising has been clear: Stay local, exercise alone or with members of your own family and stay 2 metres away from those outside your household.
"Some public statements made soon after the adoption of the Regulations suggested that members of the public could only leave their homes if ‘essential’ to do so. However, this is not the test set out in the Regulations and there is no legal basis for a requirement in those terms to be imposed. The applicable threshold is that of ‘reasonable excuse’" It's understandable that there is some confusion, however, and until everyone get's their heads around it I can see why harbour authorities took a precautionary approach. I think harbours and coastguard should take a lead from park authorities. Sure, tell people not to travel unnecessarily from out of the area (in line with government guidance) but don't stop people from exercising if they are local. For many the coast is their 'local open space'. As long as they practice social distancing then I see nothing wrong with utilising this resource. Staying healthy, mentally and physically becomes even more important the longer this lock down continues. What about taking up resource of first respondents? People don't disappear when not afloat. Instead they cycle and fall, or stay sedentary and get unhealthy. Or take to drink and drugs. Or suffer from mental health issues. I think it's a bit naive of the coastguard and harbour masters to believe that just because they are not dealing with these people that they cease to be a require emergency help. The whole point of allowing exercise it to limit strain, and there is some accepted risk that some get injured whilst exercising, but on the whole it will be beneficial. Of course, being cynical, it is less work for the coastguard / harbour masters. Some of which may just see recreational boating as 'hassle' at the best of times. I hope they can do more to keep the coast open and manage it within guidelines. They should share their part of burden for keeping these people safe alongside the ambulance crews who are still picking up cyclists, or drug overdoses. In my mind, the biggest obstacle is the court of public opinion. The internet lynch mob is out for those having fun. If you're enjoying your exercise, even in perfect isolation, then it isn't essential, and if it isn't essential, then it isn't legal. And you shall be hanged! (of course some lakes need safety cover for insurance / tenancy, and they can't compel members to travel to provide this service, so may have to remain closed)
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423zero
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 1:04pm |
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Mozzy, great to hear from you, glad you are back, we need your videos to keep us sane
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Do Different
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 2:14pm |
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Honestly I do “get it “ just saying some of it is slightly out of kilter and sometimes contradictory.
I’m not unduly desperate to sailing myself. More a comment on the overall picture. My industry is classed as essential so working with distancing. |
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H2
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 2:46pm |
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If you could be sure that you will not need any help from anyone then it makes sense as a form of exercise. If you did need help or have an accident on there way to / from you would probably look like a bit of a selfish berk.
Personally I wish I could go sailing, but as the club and water is closed I will have to just get what I can from running.
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H2 #115 (sold)
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Fatboi
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Posted: 21 Apr 20 at 3:03pm |
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I have been cycling about 5 times since the lockdown started and knocked off my bike once by a car into (thankfully) a grassy verge.
Today I had a car pull out in front of me and luckily I had full concentration and managed to stop before I went over his bonnet. He was sorry but not paying attention. 2 cases where if I were slightly more unlucky I could have very easily ended up in hospital... 2 cases where the onus was not stopped, just shifted. If I could have sailed today I would have done so, I have been towed in once my entire life (broke a 29er mast at the youth nationals), never been to hospital from a sailing accident (have been twice for cycling in my younger years and I definitely sail more than I cycle by probably a multitude of 100). What is with the moaning here? Done sensibly then surely its the perfect social distancing exercise. |
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