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    Posted: 12 Oct 18 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by laser193713

 It's why in the bike industry brands such as Canyon who are direct to consumer get so much attention, on the plus side they make access to the sport cheaper and more attainable, but at the same time are likely to kill off the local bike shop. 
Which in turn can kill off valuable sections of the sport like mountain bikes, where influential lbs's would organise rides and tuition for their clients but with out LBS and the profit motive, that very quickly erodes.. sound like anything else we know?

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A long established local bike shop closed recently; sales had simply dwindled below that which would cover fixed costs.

It was quoted that bike shops are closing country wide despite the growth in the popularity of cycling.

I firmly believe that there no such thing as an easy saving or quick profit, somebody or society as a whole pays in the end.

  
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Originally posted by Do Different

A long established local bike shop closed recently; sales had simply dwindled below that which would cover fixed costs.

It was quoted that bike shops are closing country wide despite the growth in the popularity of cycling.

I firmly believe that there no such thing as an easy saving or quick profit, somebody or society as a whole pays in the end.

  

The owner of our local bike shop is a bit of an arse. it is a shame as I would go there despite them being a bit more than online retailers or places like Halfords for the bits I need to keep my old bike running.
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Just to put into perspective the price Selden want for Mast block, follow link to a Selden Gnav boom end, substantially more involved.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Selden-Inboard-Boom-End-Fitting-for-Gnav/173518988926?hash=item286689a67e:g:XYIAAOSwefxbkSWF:rk:5:pf:0
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Originally posted by Fatboi

The Marlow (and English Braids owner) flies down in his plane from the midlands when going to see Marlow... I heard that he owns half of Gloucester airport, but that could be just a rumor. 
Controlling the manufacturing and supply to retailers the mark up is outrageous. 
https://companycheck.co.uk/company/05648038/MARLOW-ROPES-LIMITED/financials
https://companycheck.co.uk/company/00932500/ENGLISH-BRAIDS-LIMITED/financials

I dont quite know what your point is.

"Successful businessman in huge bank balance shocker"

I haven't dealt much with Marlow, but I know the Marine wing of English Braids isn't huge relative to what they do. Most of their business is done in industry. I'd expect Marlow to be the same. One thing is certain - if he does own half of Gloucester airport it wasnt accomplished by selling you or I 50m of sprint line every 5 years and a 15m main halyard once a season.

The same goes for Allen and Harken who make basically the same fittings for a myriad of other purposes that are far more profitable than selling 3 or 4 of them to us maybe one a year. If they didn't do this I dread to think what the prices would be, they'd never recover the tooling cost without the volume.


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We all can make choices, if something in your opinion is too expensive, you can buy something else, since if there is loads of profit to be made you can bet your bottom dollar that someone will undercut them.

Obviously this is not always the case with OEM classes, but there is the joy of the traditional classes, like the Solo, where a complete mast can be pretty much purchased for the price of a Laser topmast.

The real problem, particularly for those involved in making product in the non-OEM classes is that the stuff is too good ... I can’t remember when I last had to buy a cleat or a block or rope from a chandler.  And Mylar fully battened sails have two or three full on seasons in them before they lose their shape.

With clothing you also have choices, you don’t have to buy Zhik, there are plenty of “me to” alternatives at a fraction of the price.  However in Zhik’s defence, it is really well considered and designed kit and has quite a lot to do with why I sail every weekend, rain or shine.  It is also way cheaper than Ski kit which I only wear for a week each year.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Do Different

A long established local bike shop closed recently; sales had simply dwindled below that which would cover fixed costs.

It was quoted that bike shops are closing country wide despite the growth in the popularity of cycling.

I firmly believe that there no such thing as an easy saving or quick profit, somebody or society as a whole pays in the end.

  

The owner of our local bike shop is a bit of an arse. it is a shame as I would go there despite them being a bit more than online retailers or places like Halfords for the bits I need to keep my old bike running.

We have four local bike shops, a wheel builder and a large branch of Evans within 5/10 mins ride from home. What used to be, probably, the biggest in terms of turnover and certainly the longest established, was bought by a father and son team. They tried to take it upmarket by not doing the 'bread and butter' stuff the previous owners did and just offering the high end too). They now only open by appointment...
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Unfortunately one man band bike shops are up against Halfords and Decathlon, not sure wether Decathlon have mechanics ? But the Halfords a short ride from me has a good bike mechanic who is a cyclist himself so is engaged with the sport.
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Decathlon near me does have a decent workshop.
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I try where possible to support small retailers, for instance I use small DIY shop by me for fixings and paint etc, but Halfords have given a local cyclist with skills a good job in his chosen sport.
I believe Halfords used to retail 'Skipper' sailing dinghies ? Would be a good platform for dinghy sailing particularily if  they employed someone with relevant skills, point potential customers to local RYA sailing centres.
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