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    Posted: 03 Oct 18 at 7:20pm
I've often thought a National Series for single handers banded in groups of similar handicaps would be good.

I've not done one of the Sailjuice events so can't really comment, but the handicap event I have done a couple of times round Sheppy is quite fun, I missed it again this year, they don't publicise it that well.

I agree with TT the title is preteniously lame it's hardly great or a challenge.

Having said that if one surfaces near me in the summer and I get to hear about it in time I might give one a look.
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It's funny all this ranting about handicap dinghy sailing when it's the absolute norm further up the boat (and pocket) scales in big events and tweaking your handicap/rating the absolute norm. Arent 99% of all big boat sailing at all levels handicap events?
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you would think someone only had to turn up in a Oppi and win because of PY, whoever wins these events will be a name.
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Originally posted by KazRob

Arent 99% of all big boat sailing at all levels handicap events?

No. 

At the top level I'd say it's 100% class racing. 

Even in the top IRC races, the main prestige is for line honours and first in class. 

The IRC is really to get the cruisers out.  But there's a lot of differences between the two handicap systems and markets they serve that makes the conclusion of "big boats do it so why all the fuss" a little hard to make. 
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Keelboats are not my area of expertise but doesn't "First in class" mean the same as "first Merlin" or "first Moth"? I'm guessing the dinghy equivalent is dev classes built to a rule. Sure there is 'one design' racing too but as a percentage of boats on the line I suspect it's very much the minority. 
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If you think Great British Sailing Challenge is pompous SailGP aims to “redefine sailing”!
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Keelboats are not my area of expertise but doesn't "First in class" mean the same as "first Merlin" or "first Moth"? I'm guessing the dinghy equivalent is dev classes built to a rule. Sure there is 'one design' racing too but as a percentage of boats on the line I suspect it's very much the minority. 
There are IRC groups and divisions, but the hottest competition is in classes and for line honours. And by classes I mean a class rule, so can be either one design or development. 

TP52, MOD70, RC44, FAST40, Class 40, Open 60, Quarter Tonners, all the J and X boats etc. There is loads and loads of class racing and at the top end it's the class racing that matters.

I'm not saying IRC isn't important, and for many cruiser racing it will be their only competition. And I'm not saying some of the 'class' boat wouldn't like a win in their IRC division, but you certainly can't say "99% of all big boat sailing at all levels handicap events" and "it's the absolute norm further up the boat (and pocket) scales in big events and tweaking your handicap/rating the absolute norm"

But, no one is spending the money the FAST40 or RC44 or TP52 or Open 60 or Volvo Class boats are on winning on IRC. They want to win class events. 


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Originally posted by KazRob

It's funny all this ranting about handicap dinghy sailing when it's the absolute norm further up the boat (and pocket) scales in big events and tweaking your handicap/rating the absolute norm. Arent 99% of all big boat sailing at all levels handicap events?

Yes, but in racing yachts you can alter the rating, so it is within your control. You can't alter the rating of your dinghy yourself. There's a big difference between factors that you can control and one you can't.  
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I've always understood 'first in class' to mean the IRC Classification you're rated under - i.e. Class 2 will have a rating band of x.xxx - y.yyy (this can be altered by event, so a given boat, with a given rating could be in Class 1 for one event and Class 2 for another). Also, even the so called one designs (e.g. Fast 40+) are racing under IRC, but typically in a much narrower rating band, such that seconds, rather than minutes, count. 
And it is true that the lead mines can affect their rating by alterations to rig / sail / weight, dinghies cannot. IRC is a measurement rule. PY is a statistical system derived from results.
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