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    Posted: 06 Aug 17 at 7:12pm
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On a more serious note, what has the effect been of the carbon top and new radial sail on the longevity issues?

Anyone using them?

I have a new carbon top section and yes it does solve the problem of bent top sections (but not bent bottom sections). However typical Laser Performance managed to balls the first few up! The first ones spit at the bottom and they used stainless rivet which rust when used with carbon. Also they dont seal the mandrel hole in the rivet so unless you do it yourself they fill up with water! As much as I love the Laser I do despise Laser Performance! There is no new radial sail however the Mark 2 full rig is a define improvement and is a very nice sail.
I didn't mean the actual 'Radial' Sail, I meant that new radially cut mainsail that came out a couple of years back, do they last longer than one full regatta/season.

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Originally posted by By The Lee


Originally posted by iGRF

On a more serious note, what has the effect been of the carbon top and new radial sail on the longevity issues?

Anyone using them?

I have a new carbon top section and yes it does solve the problem of bent top sections (but not bent bottom sections). However typical Laser Performance managed to balls the first few up! The first ones spit at the bottom and they used stainless rivet which rust when used with carbon. Also they dont seal the mandrel hole in the rivet so unless you do it yourself they fill up with water! As much as I love the Laser I do despise Laser Performance! There is no new radial sail however the Mark 2 full rig is a define improvement and is a very nice sail.
I didn't mean the actual 'Radial' Sail, I meant that new radially cut mainsail that came out a couple of years back, do they last longer than one full regatta/season.

Ahhhh yes I get you.... The radial cut full rig does last a lot better than the old one probably easily over a season if you're just club racing
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Wikipedia, states Laser performance have effectively brought Sunfish production to an end.
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75k! That's 12 stone in old money isn't it? Keep sailing what you sail son a Laser.....Oh no you don't do you. Your choice is a D Zero, nice boat, obscure class? You chose well nice modern piece of kit. Doing any good in it?
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Originally posted by 423zero

Wikipedia, states Laser performance have effectively brought Sunfish production to an end.

I doubt they would actually shut the door on Sunfish, it's clearly a money spinner if marketed properly. And they bought it......... Unless they bought it to kill it dead so the L@ser would be the biggest seller?
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Lasers and Sunfish have been produced by the same company for longer than the current company has owned Laser.
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God you are all sensitive! You have all leaped in to vociferously defend Laser! I did not instigate this post and all I did was indicate that Laser had had its day. Of course lots of successful sailors began in Lasers what else was there for them to sail at that time? You are all looking backwards but there is a future you know. I never promote Byte as an alternative to Laser but it says what it does on the tin....fatty. And by the way my son has also won the Lightning 368 Nationals 4 times. Just sh*tty little classes I know compared to you grown ups of course.

Implying that the Lightning (now 40 years old, only about 8 years newer than the Laser) or the Byte (a baby Laser hull with a modified 1960s Moth-style rig) are "forward looking" seems pretty damn silly in a world where the real leaps in performance have left all these classes well behind, and the leading edge in design is now owned by kitefoilers. Oh, and if you really think that a class that sells sometimes as few as one boat per year and another class that sells 20 per year across the entire globe are "forward looking" and going to be the future then you are the misguided one.

It looks like no one here has criticised Lightning sailors as being parochial souls who want to be big fish in a tiny puddle, so why do you call those who prefer other classes and bigger challenges "misguided"?  If we're over-sensitive then you are rude and arrogant, as indicated by the way you sit there on your self-erected throne and tell others they are "misguided" and "looking backwards" rather than respecting what others choose to do. Surely it's fairly simple - if you don't want to cop criticism then don't sit on your self-erected throne of "wisdom" and criticise others and their choices and classes.




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Originally posted by 423zero

Wikipedia, states Laser performance have effectively brought Sunfish production to an end.

I dug around the class site and they moved production to China and re-started it there. The class isn't doing well though, and according to AGM minutes one reason is that clubs are shifting to......Lasers.


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Goodness! How did little old me and my insignificant opinion provoke such ire....from the other side of the World now! Apparently I am on a "self erected throne of wisdom", and "I criticise others and their choice of classes. Really?

Years ago this forum was an interesting and sometimes amusing exchange of sailing ideas. Contributors included young people and even women (God forbid). What is it now?

I will leave you to play with each other while I continue to support and promote a class that provides what a certain type of sailor is suited to rather than forcing them into something unsuitable.

Goodbye and "Thanks for all the fish".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PeterG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 17 at 12:54pm
 You have all leaped in to vociferously defend Laser! I did not instigate this post and all I did was indicate that Laser had had its day. 

Perhaps it has something to do with posting highly questionable personal views as fact, and imply anyone who disagrees is just out for a fight with you?
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