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    Posted: 26 Apr 16 at 11:07am
Originally posted by iGRF

That and getting local sailmakers to make 'training' sails slightly bigger than the normal one seems to help enormously..

you know that period in your life when you decide to switch to Radio 2, maybe because Franz Ferdinand were featuring, or you were actually missing Jo Whiley, or you decide, momentarily, it's time to consider yourself a proper adult and grow up a bit.... then you get one of Steve Wright's 'Factoids' and you remember all the reasons why you never went near Radio 2 before and why you should immediately switch back to Radio 1, even it means suffering the occasional grime track.

Well, that's what reading Fuller on Lasers and Handicap Racing feels like....
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That and getting local sailmakers to make 'training' sails slightly bigger than the normal one seems to help enormously..
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Yep, and I'd add, discovering possibly too late (or ignoring advice until recently) foil condition is equally important.
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At inland club level age seems pretty irrelevant with Lasers, so long as they haven't gone soggy, or the floor dropped out of the cockpit. Sail condition makes a difference.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by turnturtle

The one major benefit a Laser has is that a well maintained one (doesn't take much) of 20 odd years, say a 17 or early 18 number, is still competitive at club level.  Older ones can be too.... Will either the Aero or Zero be able to make such a claim in 2036?   Time will tell.... 


Competitive with what? Other old Laser sh*tboxes? If they are still so competitive how come in my tenure in this dingy world the handicap has gone from 1078-1095 and theoretically only things that make it faster have been added.
The only thing that's helping the competitiveness is the CFBL (Campaign for the Bandit Laser) being run quite successfully by the PYAG in concert with the Great Lakes business consortium.

And don't think I haven't noticed the vested interest of the Draycote fleet and one of the key members of the PYAG


Yep other old sh*tbox Lasers, and new ones, and even older ones.... From budgets of £500 to £5,000.  No PY relevant... Or have you missed the point entirely???




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Originally posted by JohnJack

Must every thread become a Fuller moan on handicap?? 

If he spent as much time sailing as he does moaning he wouldn't need to moan!
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Must every thread become a Fuller moan on handicap?? 

Yes, unfortunately that seems to be the 1st law of Y&Y forum threads  Cry


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Must every thread become a Fuller moan on handicap?? 
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Damn it, yep you've got me. 

I suppose we should finally come clean. PYAG is a huge conspiracy to try and make racing fairer by giving ALL boats the numbers they deserve based on huge quantities of observed (past) performance data via an openly available method (YR2) detailed on the RYA website using sums anyone can see.

Nice edit by the way....

Assume you mean me so please explain why you think I have a vested interest in the Draycote Laser fleet?


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Outed at last then?
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