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    Posted: 24 Jun 15 at 8:48pm
If I wanted to join a country club with a slipway I would.  But there aren't too many in this country thank goodness!

I can't quite believe some of the BVBL et al apologists in this thread - I wondered how long it would take to see such a view, and I didn't really expect page 1.  Oh well.
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Hang on there. It was reported elsewhere that the lease in 2008, when Southern Water were landlords, was £85k. You can be fairly sure that that was below market rate, due to long standing good will, it not being core business for the water board and general naivety on the part of a former nationalised industry.

In 2008 the landlord changed, a new deal was signed in good faith by both sides and now membership has dropped to a level were fees can't be paid. Hard to blame the landlord solely for that. In 7 years the rate has gone up £1 a person a week, hardly an outrage.

The fact that a club of 1000 members can't find anyone willing to be commodore tells a story untold.

Didn't Bewl shut for a while in the droughts a few years back? That can't have helped.
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Originally posted by Peaky

Hang on there. It was reported elsewhere that the lease in 2008, when Southern Water were landlords, was £85k. You can be fairly sure that that was below market rate, due to long standing good will, it not being core business for the water board and general naivety on the part of a former nationalised industry.

In 2008 the landlord changed, a new deal was signed in good faith by both sides and now membership has dropped to a level were fees can't be paid. Hard to blame the landlord solely for that. In 7 years the rate has gone up £1 a person a week, hardly an outrage.

The fact that a club of 1000 members can't find anyone willing to be commodore tells a story untold.

Didn't Bewl shut for a while in the droughts a few years back? That can't have helped.

Or perhaps the context that the club was untenable as a business might have meant that no-one was willing to step up as Commodore and Director - which I can entirely understand!

Nor do we know what went on in the 2008 negotiations!
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3500 members in 2006, apparently.
3500 members

But remarkable foresight by some forum it's. Low water levels didn't stop the sailing, but difficult launching lost members...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 15 at 9:28pm
yes, all that but it's still a shame.

If the BVSC results guru would like to drive to the Sussex coast to sail he/she could submit returns for us. In return we could teach him/her about tide.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 15 at 9:33pm
I wholeheartedly agree it's a shame, and I sincerely hope that a new club rises from the ashes. But to blame the landlord for all the problems is to bury head in sand I think.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote limey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 15 at 9:44pm
Theres no reason why young sailors can't be subsidised . Find it amazing that people will happily pay 10 - 15+ K for a new dinghy and then begrudge a fraction of that to have somewhere nice to sail. 10 pounds a week for membership  and boat space is excessive ; really !!!!!!! I think you only have to look at the average weekly attendance at most sailing clubs to see it aint working at the moment. Carry on and Bewl will be the first of many 
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Not many people at my club pay 10-15K for a new dinghy, happily or otherwise. I reckon there's a fair number for whom the membership is a significant part of their total sailing expenditure each year.

Its all very well for the executive class who have their snouts in the trough and have been busily enriching themselves at the expense of the rest of us the last few years, but there are many sailing clubs where a substantial portion of the membership are ordinary middle class folk out of the executive bracket or pensioners, and things aren't quite so easy for them. Not many clubs would survive if they lost say 20% of their membership who aren't on inflated executive salaries and aren't able to spend 10-15K on new boats...

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Like Jim, I know of very few people able to spend 10k or more on a boat. If I look at the two clubs I'm involved with there are only 4 or 5 brand new boats across some 600 memberships And those boats were around 6k. I would say most boats in the dinghy compound and out on the water are in the £500-2500 range. Both clubs have pretty stable membership numbers and membership fees sub £100 and a good deal of volunteer members organising training, socials, maintenance etc.
I have family members who are or have been members of clubs in the mould of what Limey recommends and interestingly all of those clubs have in recent years lost members and become increasingly about supplying the local well off retirees with somewhere to dine. The soul has been ripped out of them and the few remaining boats littering the shore are simply a reminder of what the club used to be about.
There are alternatives to the commercialisation of leisure time and they offer a far more rewarding and enjoyable experience.

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Jim , i think you are missing the point. You are right most people can't afford 10-15K on a new boat but I'm sure 10 a week club membership isn't beyond the average person. I would hardly call that the domain of the fat cat. , Sailing clubs won't survive unless they start turning losses into profit .Alternatively we can all bury our heads in the sand, complain about the cost of sailing,continue as we have for years with little or no evolution in the way our clubs are run and watch the sport die !!
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