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Riv ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 13 Location: South Devon Online Status: Offline Posts: 353 |
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Canting rigs and keels were used on model boats in the 70's......
When I walk past a line of modern sports boats they have proportions similar to model yachts. So what's happening in the model boat world that will be with us in 20 years? |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Time Lord ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Dec 13 Location: Warwickshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 301 |
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An excellent radical design for GRF!!
Too bad about the handicap! |
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Oatsandbeans ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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I think that David's article is great- he has put a lot of work into this. The is the first bit of decent stuff we have had on this forum for a long time. I would post more but I don't know if I can deal with all the cr*p. That comes from posting here! This forum has turned into a mess where the ones who shouts loudest gets heard!. So David keep potsing ( please!) and i will read and appreciate.
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Time Lord ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Dec 13 Location: Warwickshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 301 |
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+ 1.
Post and give the comments the attention they deserve! |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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While the SMODs may have played a part in the loss of technical skills, surely we must also ask whether sailing would be even weaker if the SMODs had not developed as they are? After all, the move to SMODS is surely largely reflecting changes in the wider world.
One study of long-term changes in the UK job market notes that "All of the (occupations) that declined,except for private household workers, consist of occupations that produce, repair, or transport goods and are concentrated in the agriculture, mining, construction, manufacturing, and transportation industries. The five that increased are the socalled white-collar occupations". So we're clearly a long way from the days when many potential or actual sailors handled a spanner or chisel from nine to five. Today far fewer people have a background in working with their hands so how easily can they build a boat that will handle both the club critics and the loads of modern rigging? Secondly, surely the welcome drop in sexism has had a role in the unwelcome drop in home building and technical skills. My parents were both teachers but in the '60s when they came home, society said that it was fine for Dad to go out to the shed and have an interesting evening building new boats while Mum got the choice tasks of cooking, cleaning, ironing and looking after the kids. And on weekends Dad got the long-term leave pass he needed to get his complicated boats out on the water. Thirdly, hasn't the change in materials eroded much of the joy of boatbuilding? Most people would probably agree that building in timber is more fun than messing with epoxy - there's lots of mags about woodcraft on the newsagent shelves but I have yet to see Fun With Bog and Carbon Monthly there. Fourthly, guys like John Claridge have told me that these days we expect more from amateur builders, therefore fewer people feel that they have the ability to turn out a worthwhile boat. Add in the increasing lack of space (which is a major factor down here, anyway) and it's no surprise that home building has dropped off. I quite enjoy messing with boats, mainly in the form of my old wooden 28'er where I do things like rip out diesels, rebuild cockpits, drop, rebuild and step masts singlehanded, shift chainplates, take off skegs and fit blade rudders, make bulkheads, hatches and tables, yada yada yada, but having helped build a 38' carbon tri and other craft there's no way i want to spend my leisure time in gloves and a respirator grinding back carbon. Finally, if the drop in technical skills is down to the rise of SMODs then where are the floods of homebuilt development class boats? Aren't the vast majority of most development class boats pro built nowadays? Edited by Chris 249 - 20 Dec 14 at 5:31am |
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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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All good points Chris, particularly the observations on family life. Certainly if I took the self-time out that my dad did I doubt I would have a marriage any more. As a teenager I used to design and build windsurfers in my parents garage, which solved the problem of time and space. Soon as you move out as a single person you lose the space and only get it back when you are married in a bigger house whereupon you lose the time.
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Hi Chris 249. Yet another of the articles for the now defunct Dinghy Mag (but it might just get resurrected for here) was titled "whatever happened to Bob the Builder". (FYI - Bob the Builder was a popular cartoon character).You have to go back to the 1950s for the origins of the story. Post war England was still showing significant signs of wartime damage and the process of rebuilding was gathering pace. It was very much government policy to teach schoolchildren the skills that would help in the process, so woodwork (and metalwork) lessons were compulsory. There is though a lovely link to the sailing scene from an unexpected quarter. At that same time, televised 'D-I-Y' programmes started with Barry Bucknall - the man who gave us the Mirror dinghy. So, schools taught real woodwork with real woodworking tools and yes, the process of modernising the Victorian housing stock and the rise of the 'one stop DIY shop' did the rest. From there it is but a short jump to making the Holt boats, the Fireball and even more advanced boats; remember the Marine Pak kits for the Contender?
Today, the dread of all sorts of legislation has limited the ability of schools to undertake this sort of construction project - with the result that fewer and fewer teenagers have the required skillsets. Recently I spent some time with a self styled 'chippy' carpenter. Oh dear, I did watch closely looking for evidence of woodworking ability but with joist hangers, iron dovetails and on-site mitre saws meant that the biggest skill was bashing in a nail without leaving too much hammer toe. And all that is just the starting point - all the other socio-economic factors, people being time constrained, the lack of garage/workshop space, the risk of messing up...the list of contributory factors goes on and on. Like the lost domain of one design racing, apart from a few rare examples, self build has been and gone. All that dinghy racing can do as a sport is move on and look for other ways to reenergise it's fortunes. D |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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I accept than in the main the home building of prototypes horse has all but bolted.
However I do not totally buy the lack of time as the reason, I consider that if you want to do something badly enough (of course some people are exceptions) time is an elastic commodity. Rather than lack of time I would site too much money as a reason. If you have money to burn there is little incentive for DIY and a significant disposable income also opens up the possibility of other diversionary and diluting activities. edited more typos (sigh)
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Riv ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 13 Location: South Devon Online Status: Offline Posts: 353 |
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There are a couple of useful ideas from David Pye (Professor of furniture design, RCA) The workmanship of certainty and the workmanship of risk.
Nowadays with virtually everything we have being made on highly controlled production lines we are used to the workmanship of certainty being the norm. Building boats at home is the workmanship of risk. Everytime we pick up a chisel or a hand saw or powered hand held tool we take a risk, we put ourselves into the process and in doing so expose ourselves to the comments of others. As most people are firmly embedded in a society where the workmanship of certainty is prevalent this takes courage and determination; as well as space, time and money. I'm building his own house, you'd be amazed at the sort of comments that people make about my skills or what they perceive as the lack of them. You need to have a thick skin with the workmanship of risk and/or a supportive group around you.
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