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    Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 11:11am
Why self build hull for a DIY boat? The easy thing is to bash out laminate hulls and supply them with all the other gubbins in kit form. There is a model boat class called the 'bottle boat'. I believe the hull is made of two coke bottles stuck together.....could there be a full sized equivalent?
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You probably could, but imagine the size of the bottles....possibly would be filled with beer, so either have a couple of weeks on the lash before building or find your local drunk to help you out
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Not just Mirrors, there were kits for building a Miracle (which we all know is iGRFs true sailing-object-of-desire) Phantoms and many others. Or with some more skills, build a GP14, Ent, Solo or many more

Not sure most have the tools and skills even for building a Mirror these days. Probably some 'elf-n' safety nonsense about using resin too.

And of course the proven performance variances within a class enabled by the relatively large building tolerances necessitated by all this home building are proof as to why a polars-based dinghy rating system will not work
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by zippyRN


Originally posted by iGRF

I usually get screws left over.

I'm serious, that Farr thing could be supplied as a box of bits, you'd get the plans, all the bits cut out, the ply necessary to build it all in a box the size of the biggest bit of ply, why not? Then there might have to be a separate box with the rig bits in it, two part mast obviously. Nice Instructional DvD on how to put it all together.

 oh  do keep up Grumpf , messers Holt, Bucknall and Bell were doing  that in the mid C20th  with the Mirror ...mabe soneone  could remind us why Bell  went to the wall taking their  final kit boat design  with it (?flyer) ...


Really? Show me the link where I can buy it then, all the bits I need ready to assemble in a box, with an instructional DvD.

Love to iGRF, and I actually here you. What the Farr 3.7 has is as close as I could get it. 
My issue is funding.
Care to add into the pot to create such a product with associated collateral and marketing? I'll take you up on the offer.
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You probably could, but imagine the size of the bottles....possibly would be filled with beer, so either have a couple of weeks on the lash before building or find your local drunk to help you out

This needs a 60s style Giles cartoon, pie-eyed blokes in a shed being accosted by angry wife in curlers brandishing a rolling-pin, "but we're only half way thru stage-one, dearest"
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Can you imagine if the bottles were filled with coke? You poison the neighbourhood pouring it all down the drain. Unless you could find the giant bottle of rum to go with it, I suppose.
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I think you are all missing the point here.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by zippyRN


Originally posted by iGRF

I usually get screws left over.

I'm serious, that Farr thing could be supplied as a box of bits, you'd get the plans, all the bits cut out, the ply necessary to build it all in a box the size of the biggest bit of ply, why not? Then there might have to be a separate box with the rig bits in it, two part mast obviously. Nice Instructional DvD on how to put it all together.

 oh  do keep up Grumpf , messers Holt, Bucknall and Bell were doing  that in the mid C20th  with the Mirror ...mabe soneone  could remind us why Bell  went to the wall taking their  final kit boat design  with it (?flyer) ...


Really? Show me the link where I can buy it then, all the bits I need ready to assemble in a box, with an instructional DvD.

Love to iGRF, and I actually here you. What the Farr 3.7 has is as close as I could get it. 
My issue is funding.
Care to add into the pot to create such a product with associated collateral and marketing? I'll take you up on the offer.

is it not so dissimilar from finding a donor boat and taking a screwdriver to the mast foot and chainplate anchor points?  

There's plenty of very good Phantoms kicking around the <£3k price point these days (thank you D-One owners).... adding a wire would not make a sprightly little boat like a Farr, but it would certainly liven-up the experience if hiking your balls off doesn't quite appeal.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 6:49pm
fundamentally 

time poor, cash (or credit ) rich - you go out and buy one ready-to-sail

time rich , cash poor- depends if you have the skills,  if you have the skills to make a boat measure to modern rules you are likely  to want to  have control over  materials  specification and fitting choice within the rules  ( which  would further pump up the ppirce of the thiese mythicla 'boat in a box packs)

if you don't have the skills even with pre cut panels and simplified  construction methods you'd still have issues making it measure  and if the boat doesn't measure it's money flushed down the drain

Bell went to the wall as they could not make money from the model being proposed , I dread to think what  the courier/ delivery firms would charge ot deliver a 'boat in a box ' kit  even with a multi piece mast ... it would be too heavy / large for the  parcle boys  which puts it into the realms of the  commercial carriers who aren't set up for  residential multi dropping ...  where a set of plans  can be  sent by  royal mail parcels / your choice of document courier / as computer files to  the local large format printer / work CAD monkey ...
 
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When 3D printers in the home become the norm life will be so different
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