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    Posted: 10 Aug 13 at 10:57am
Originally posted by i tick

Now, Steve 411, I think we all know who you are. According to L123456 you are a big fish in a small pond...and as for your ego, well I never did!
 
I think he doth protest too much. Massive ego, what can I say LOL
 
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Originally posted by Steve411

 
Lasers are generally sailed by folks with little imagination
Are you standing by that statement?
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I think L123456 should change his forum name to 'Mr Jollyboy'............
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Originally posted by i tick

I think L123456 should change his forum name to 'Mr Jollyboy'............

For Real?
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Bora Gulari and his mrs went sailing and foiled- at a 130kg combo, allegedly, according to sailing anarchy.

96kg is moth territory in SW Australia, jus not on sh*tty ponds in the Home Counties and slightly further afield.
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Posts: 500 		Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 13 at 7:54am
Originally posted by i tick

I think L123456 should change his forum name to 'Mr Jollyboy'............

Eh? The guy makes a sweeping insult to the owners of the worlds most popular dinghy any you don't expect any comment?

Anyway to address the question I doubt many of these will sell. Laser sailors enjoy the nip and tuck of close class racing, if I wanted to foil I'd buy a Moth. 
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Yep, I'm with L123456 here. 

Our mate said that in his experience, Laser sailors are unimaginative. The Laser guys from my old club alone have got on the podium with their own designs in development-class world titles, sailed some leading-edge high performance designs (18s, foiler Moths, etc), do other sports to high level, and are often less conservative in their lifestyle than those in many other classes.  Part of the reason they sail Lasers at club level is to same time for their other interests.

I still have not met another sport that attacks its own like sailing does. Sad, really, and surely a part of the reason that it is not growing. Who would want to join a sport where either those who do the most popular discipline are unimaginative, or cop insults?
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Originally posted by Peaky

I'm sure Ian Ward has done a good job on the product, he is a Moth pioneer after all. But the foil set costs $5800 AUS, which is about £3500. That's practically the price of a new Laser, and many times the price of an old one. Bearing in mind the legal games going on between the Aussies and Laser in Europe, it seems unlikely that this will ever be officially sanctioned in Europe, so will invalidate any warranties on new boats and quite possibly break old ones.

That is a lot of cash and sort of puts the idea of any people's foiler in perspective. Given that Wardie is a metals engineer, Phil Stevo is an engineer and great at low-cost solutions, and the Laser guys know lots about production boats, it's hard to see someone making a much cheaper set of foils.

It did look like fun, in the right situation, but that's about the same price as buying an older foiling Moth and I'll pass. I say that knowing that I'm not in the target audience as if I want to sail something more extreme than a Laser, I'll drag out a board, cat, etc and therefore the increase in speed is not something that really does it for me.

I've got various boats and trailers in various shops being worked on so haven't sailed for a month. We had a few drinks at the yachty bar with the in-laws yesterday watching the kids train on Lasers in light winds. Oh, how I was itching to get out there and throw that beautiful little boat around like they were.


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Seems pretty pointless to me. OK, so it works, but TBH you could get anything to fly if you wanted to. I can't see that it would ever be particularly fast or get round a corner on the foils, so what's the point? You could spend your £3500 on that Laser kit, and fly around fairly slowly with a whole host of things that limit the performance, like a great big heavy hull, an unstayed mast and a compromised wand system, or just go and buy an older Moth and do it properly and have an infinitely more rewarding sailing experience. You soon get used to the height and the speed, much of the thrill of Moth sailing comes from the acceleration and responsiveness, something that the Laser will never deliver. 

Granted, the Moth class now seems to be at the upper end of budget, plus you need to basically sail full time to be in with a hope of being anywhere near the top, but pretty much anyone can be up and foiling in a few hours. Agreed, if the Laser foil kit was a grand then happy days, but it needs to be significantly under older foiling Moth territory to be workable. 

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I think a lot of people are missing the point that this is the first cheap and realistic foiler... sure it may not be as quick or refined as a moth but it also doesn't cost £7000, and any club sailor can just pay the  £1000 or whatever and stick it on their old laser!
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