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    Posted: 25 Feb 13 at 11:21pm
BTW I love the Sailjuice for all sorts of reasons....not least to get a multi-class marker on how the 2K performs.

I reckon we've been sailing about 10 PY points better this year (sadly cancelled out by the Great Lakes change!).
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Originally posted by sargesail

I guess if I was the crew that's another reason for not posting here - they have nothing to gain....better to let someone make a report. 
 
Unfortunately the crews only apparent response to the matter appeared to be a rather mocking arrogant one....
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Originally posted by rb_stretch

Originally posted by sargesail

I guess if I was the crew that's another reason for not posting here - they have nothing to gain....better to let someone make a report. 
 
Unfortunately the crews only apparent response to the matter appeared to be a rather mocking arrogant one....

Yep - so if you want to be arrogant even less chance of you making a statement.  BTW I never saw that - what did they say?
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Sorry Matt, I didn't start the insinuation about cheating, if you see my posts in the other thread you'll see I initially said they weren't cheating in my opinion, however more things have come to light since then and lack of clarity from Speed does nothing to quell that.

This topic has come about cos folks said they ain't going because of the cheating.   Nothing to 'get over'- I really don't care personally, so no skin off my nose if anyo e protests or not, or whether Speed acknowledge the sail was unmeasured or not; but I do think it's a shame that people don't want to go because of this. That's not right, is it?

Sorry for calling a spade a spade... But there's enough pussyfooting around. If the boat was fully in class, then I'll happily apologise for cutting to the chase using the 'C' word. As I said, I don't care really.

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By the way if anyone is interested (not tht it matters) but I asked QM if anyone had asked to use different sails from the rs800 fleet I was told no and there was nothing further I could do retrospectively. Which I respect, the sport is self policing and I guess they can't monitor all classes. But this blatant disregard for me and my fellow competitors and the time, effort and money I spend to travel to these events not to mention the clubs and charity's (many of which are in the memory or some top sailors) is enough for me to make a decision not to attend the rest of the series. I suspect I won't bother next year either. Sure I could be the t**ser that protested, but why should I? They should have some respect for me and the others that came to give them a race! What pisses me off most is the arrogance of it all, the attitude of these people to do this stinks! Lets be fair they are talented sailors but in a tiny minority sport. No one outside of sailing knows their names or even cares! Or even the tin pot sized businesses they jockey for! It's pathetic and all that's wrong with the sport!

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Please excuse the poor written post above it was written ony iPhone!

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Also IMHO there's far too much whinging going on from those who don't like being told to follow the rules. It does affect the whole sport , not just the guys at that particular event. And if you get caught bending the rules, mtfu and take it on the chin
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Originally posted by polc1410

Because they are loving every minute of it. 
 
Are they? Back to their statement: "we firmly beleived the sails were in class".
 
So whoever made the sails hadn't read the class rules properly. Thats really good publicity isnt it? What else have they missed?
 
If they'd said it was a development that was being tested then that would be differant, but for a professional sail maker to make a basic cock up like that is pretty worrying for a potential customer.
 
The class rule are very clear, sails shall be single ply construction and there is a limit of the size of secondry reinforcement. The rules are closed so if it doesn't specify you can do something you can't do it, in this case use tape reinforcement on a lightweight cloth. (The same "closed rules" thing is why you can't legally use twin poles - rules say "pole").
 
It was mentioned in the other thread that one suit of these has been home made and measured. The poster has no reason to lie so assuming it's true i'd suggest a measurer has a bit of explaining to do. Tape reinforcement cannot be legal under current Fireball rules.
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Originally posted by r2d2

It does affect the whole sport ,

yep- once it's 'acceptably tolerated' to bend the rules you end up with a different game.  

I heard the other day that a club with historically good Laser racing now has 80% of their fleet running replica sails.  Whatever their reasoning, (and by god, the Laser distributors give them plenty of reasons) that is no longer one design racing... and that's coming from someone who historically has had a very liberal attitude towards replica sails in Lasers.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Originally posted by r2d2

It does affect the whole sport ,

yep- once it's 'acceptably tolerated' to bend the rules you end up with a different game.  

I heard the other day that a club with historically good Laser racing now has 80% of their fleet running replica sails.  Whatever their reasoning, (and by god, the Laser distributors give them plenty of reasons) that is no longer one design racing... and that's coming from someone who historically has had a very liberal attitude towards replica sails in Lasers.

sure.  And although you can argue that a few guys in a private race should be allowed to sail what they like and can agree on, its much harder to extend that to a properly organised open event that states its under RRS.

all these arguments that "you werent there so you cant object" are rubbish too.  Its like Lance Armstrong saying "well you didnt race me so you cant comment on what I did to win"
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