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    Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 9:17pm
yer but the skiff boats are the best in terms of tv coverage!  who wants to watch a 470 going down wind??  (noone)  who wants to watch a skiff fly downwind??  everyone!!   sail numbers mean nothing if the boats sit in the boat park and arnt sailed.
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Originally posted by tickel

The trouble is that conventional kite boats probably have a limited life. Like it or not eventualy they will probably decline over the comming years unless ,of course, someone designs a new one. So, how about  a 59er or a B14 with a propper spinaker or a totaly new skiff, catch that downhill!!!

I think this has been covered before - on nationals turnouts, the symmetrical spinnakered boats are more popular than they have been in many years, and abroard they are streets ahead of the skiff like boats in terms of numbers sailed.
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The trouble is that conventional kite boats probably have a limited life. Like it or not eventualy they will probably decline over the comming years unless ,of course, someone designs a new one. So, how about  a 59er or a B14 with a propper spinaker or a totaly new skiff, catch that downhill!!!
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Like the idea of changing the Tornado to  an open  (2  person) cat which could also be sailed singlehanded  by men and women using the same platform - ie. hulls & tramp - similar to Spitfire/Shadow concept.  You could also drop the Yngling in favour of the 29erXX and the Star and Finn in favour of a more modern keelboat for either fleet racing or match racing... so a line up like:

Laser - mens
Laser Radial - womens
49er - dble mens
29erXX - dble womens
Double handed cat - open
Single handed cat - mens & womens
Keelboat - fleet open
Keelboat - match racing, open

Keep the 470? I know it's popular but it's another boat which has probably suffered more than prospered because of Olypmic status, why not have an extra keelboat element (so Match Racing and fleet racing) - both with conventional kites as a good test of boat handling skills and to off-set all that A-sail stuff!

I don't like the idea of continuing with the Tornado - it's hardly fair to call it a 'production' boat, it's fantastically expensive and can't be trailed (legally) very easily - it is incredibly fast though...
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Originally posted by JimC



I'd like to see the 470 stay on as a mixed doubles class, one woman, one man, who crews and who helms unrestricted.

 

I am sure if you did this 95% of the top boats would be Women helming and Men Crewing. Not saying this is a bad thing but in terms of optimisation (which is what Olympic sailing is all about) this would be the most likely winning combination... 
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Originally posted by redback

The Tornado may be the fastest cat but I'm sure a new design could be faster and cheaper. 

 

Cheaper, maybe.  Faster, not yet.

 

As for a ladies boat.  It reeally should be another Cat.  How about the F16 or Spitfire ?
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by JimC



I'd like to see the 470 stay on as a mixed doubles class, one woman, one man, who crews and who helms unrestricted.


sounds like an excellent idea!

Its allowed in badminton, so why not in sailing! It would certainly reflect a huge number of mixed teams found in many classes at club and national level.
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The thing that most restricts the choice of classes is their International distribution. The Yngling was, for example, the only remotely suitable keel boat class that had anything like a balanced international distribution. All the others were Americas only, Europe only or Commonwealth nations only.

I'd like to see the 470 stay on as a mixed doubles class, one woman, one man, who crews and who helms unrestricted.
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I think there are a couple of very popular misconceptions:
  1. That it is more of an achievement to win in an old, painful boat like the Finn, compared to a more modern and responsive lighter boat.  This is false, to achieve at Olympic level is an almost (but not quite) impossible achievement, and the choice of boat has nothing to do with that.
  2. That it is only in a specialised class like the Finn or Europe that the sailor "from Africa" would have to live and sail in Europe to be competitive.  This is also false.  To compete at Olympic level in the Laser or Laser radial also requires a full time committment to living and sailing on the international circuit.  Compared to this expense, the cost of the boat is almost trivial, so the class selection is really not that important.
I quite like the idea that somebody came up with on Sailing Anarchy, which is to have totally "blind" classes, that nobody can practice on beforehand.  Pitch up at the Olympics and THEN discover what newly designed boat you will be sailing.  Maybe it's not practical, but it would save a fortune in boat tinkering before the Olympics, and would also open up the possibility of having boats that really suit the conditions.  It looks like you would want massively over-canvassed boats for China, for example ...
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Why not replace the Yngling with the 79er (please note I do not work for Ovi, I just like their boats!!!)

 

Another point is RS boats do not really feature that much outside the UK, so would not be a good choice from the international perspective, unless LDC changed their marketing strategy...
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