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blueboy 
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 Topic: J Boats New J70Posted: 08 Sep 12 at 5:32am |
Really? It's a few years since I was an owner on the Hamble but unless things have changed, there's the Royal Southern's (members only and very limited boat storage with afaik a ballot for space), Hamble Yacht Services (not an awful lot cheaper than their travel hoist) and Warsash Marina (not self-service). None of those provide an option that's most people's idea of affordable, which is why many SB20s trailer-launch. |
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blueboy
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Posted: 08 Sep 12 at 5:25am |
Come off it. There were more than double the number of SB20s (27) compared to J80s (12) entered in Cowes Week and both of those are little numbers compared to the XODs (83). I've nothing against J80s and have indeed enjoyed sailing them but that's just a silly claim. |
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gbr940
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Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 3:04pm |
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Why is the square top main and backstay a big thing on buying the boat?? I was invited to test sail the boat which we blasted up AND downwind on Southampton Water...certainly gave the smile required. As I was invited to make up numbers I didn't get the all up overall cost but I do think it was circa £37k including everything. What you should also remember about the J/80 is that it is rated as Category B so more than capable then just playing in the daylight hours...that said the J/70 has been thoroughly thought about when it comes to sheeting loads and rarely was the word winch used |
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Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 1:41pm |
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The review is gushing, to say the least, without really explainhg why it is (supposedly) better than the alternatives. The review also describes it as having a square top main, but the photo's show a very conventional looking sail, with the 'square' barely any bigger than a head board.
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farc anal
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Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 12:55pm |
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Food for thought = theres another recent launch at this market too and from europe
Bavaria B- one .
J70 B -1
Loa 6.93 7.00
Lwl 6.24 6.37
Beam 2.25 2.45
Draft 1.50 1.6
Main 26 21
Jib inc 11
Gen 45 46
Disp 795 1050
Ballast 285 370
mast Carbon Ally
Backstay No No
Squaretop Yes Yes
££'s ? ?
all dimension to be taken with pinch of salt depends on which website you look at,
Both lifting foils , small cuddys , trailerable (though js slightly smaller and lighter would make easier .
Just an intresting comparison I thought , heard B 1's did well at cowes ????
edit : In hindesight , differing concepts , similar sized
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brys
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Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 11:15am |
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If you have test sailed it did they let you know the package price, incl Boat, Sails, Trailer etc?
If they are so confident its a winner why the big secret?
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laser193713
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Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 11:14am |
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While I don't think you can claim the J80 to be the largest fleet on the Solent I don't think the J70 will be the same sort of fleet here. I think the J70 will come into its own in places like Plymouth where launching from QAB on the slipway will be much easier than the alternative of being craned in every week. The Hamble has so many single point launching cranes that the J80 is really easy here, in other places it is less simple because you have to deal with travel hoists etc. I think the big area where the j70 will (should!) thrive is in the national circuit type racing, it will be much easier to travel with than a J80 where most only travel for big events, worlds, nationals etc and most dont even bother doing that!
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gbr940
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Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 10:33am |
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Putting my 5pence worth - the J/80 class is still a very active fleet in the UK and the largest in the Solent and STILL growing. New and used sales are still on the up and we still have some of the best sailors in the country compete in this fantastic boat. We will be shortly relaunching our new improved website and are looking already at the next few years championships and possibly hosting a Europeans after our massively succesful Worlds in Dartmouth earlier in the year. The J/70 is fab, having test sailed it - it's key selling point to me is the ability to slipway launch.
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blueboy
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Posted: 07 Sep 12 at 6:16am |
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The British sports boat scene has always been SMOD-based and price a key ingredient. Neither 707s not SB3s were the best boats in their sector but they established themselves because they were the right price for the market.
The froth has come off the Solent sports-boat scene and a new class to invigorate it would be great. I'm not convinced the J70 is priced to fill that role but Key Yachting knows how to market in the UK and has a loyal customer base, so we shall see. As for craiggo's good trailer-sailer, Helford River SC has recently built up a fleet of 2nd-hand 707s. There are an awful lot around looking for a new home that could doubtless be had at a good price. Just a thought. Edited by blueboy - 07 Sep 12 at 6:18am |
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craiggo
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Posted: 06 Sep 12 at 11:28pm |
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Interestingly we have a few groups wandering around our club looking for a good trailer sailor with a cuddy to build a fleet at our club on the Bristol Channel and have some good racing around the UK such as RTIOW. I pushed the article under a few noses this evening at our club night and it certainly gained some interest, but like you say the big questions is how much? I have to say the gut feel was a few k short of £38 so it isn't a million miles away and being a J it will hold its value, but a clear price from Key would be good to see. Note however that Key have an advert in the same issue clearly stating that the J70 and the GS43 are this years big show boats at Southampton, so I'd expect a price to be announced at the official launch in the UK at the show.
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