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Rupert 
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Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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 Topic: To many classesPosted: 17 Dec 10 at 8:53am |
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NO No NO No NO! Genuinely talented sailors (Ben and Jenny Vines) won the Fireflies, in F2144, Fetherlite. Must be 52 years old, actually. They narrowly beat a Rondar boat which itself must be 10 years old or so, I'd think.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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dirtysailor
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 9:16am |
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I have to say that saying that sailing in general is too expensive is totally wrong. As a 12 year old (less than 10yrs ago), I bought my first boat for $1200, yes it was old, but I learned to sail in it for a year, then upgraded to a $4000 boat which was from 1990 and still could win a nationals in the right hands.
This was all done on what I earned from my paper run and I had to pay all my club fees, insurance etc myself. |
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MikeBz
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 9:34am |
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Holy cow, paper rounds must pay a lot better in the US than they do over here!
What I do know is that at our club (and most others I see are the same) we have many many more different types of boat (classes) sailing now than we did 35 years ago, far less class racing, and a huge disparate range of classes in the handicap fleet where previously there were few. To me that looks like more classes.
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Do'm
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 9:41am |
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Fireflies are a good example as are Albacores. The majority of the fast Albacores are all Woof built boats from the mid to late 80's. The newer Ovington built Epxoy Albacores will now be a challenge but it has to be said that for under £1000 you can buy a very good Albacore which will return lots of pleasure with some good results but not be at the front of the fleet at the nationals.
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Dom
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 10:27am |
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Expense is relative, and it is an expensive sport compared to some others. If you're competetive then again you need to spend more, I can't imagine that a competetive person would put up with old sails or knackered fittings. I'm fortunate that my income is well above average (as are most on this board) and price is still my main concern/worry. The main source of new blood seems to be from kids who's parents sail, whether that's enough to sustain the sport I don't know (I suspect not). Attracting people in other ways will always be difficult because of the relative expense.
Fewer bigger clubs with larger fleets is the way to go imo.
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Smight at BBSC
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 11:14am |
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Gonna bring it back on topic and say that I enjoy the variety of boats available today and have been lucky enough to sail a large number of different classes and enjoyed so many different experiences.
One of the most enjoyable sails of recent was in a very beautifully restored jolly boat, despite the spinnaker not working and the owner and crew unwilling to leap about on the trapeze, a good boat is a good boat and we enjoy a really great race. But then again thinking back on it some of the best races I had over the summer were in a borrowed vareo. Without the range of classes I wouldn't have had either of those experiences. All for it. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 12:18pm |
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Sounds like a nightmare to me, personally. Further to travel to get to a pond big enough means going there less, bigger means more impersonal, knowing far fewer people %wise in the club, fees will be higher. Small, local clubs - friendly, more clubs so more choice and less travel, generally cheaper. Unless I wanted to sail a particular high performance class which was only sailed at a big club, I'd choose the small club every time. The reason for several small clubs in the Cotswold water park is that there is no one piece of water big enough to have a big club. Because of this, each club has grown up a little different, and suits different needs. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 12:35pm |
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Doesn't sound good to me either but I think it's the way things are going.
Too many classes because people now expect more choice/are less willing to be dictated to if they are paying for something.
Old (good) attitudes of helping out, making do, supporting, team work are dissapearing, so fewer volunteers. Once the post war generations have gone the volunteers will dry up even more.
Pressure on clubs to use professionals for maintenance, catering, race duties because of legislation and lack of volunteers.
UK public expecting more value for money and the rise of consumerist attitudes.
Time pressure on many people who work at weekends who want to pop in, sail and leave.
Most of the above can be catered for at bigger, more professional clubs (unfortunately)  Edited by GK.LaserII - 17 Dec 10 at 12:39pm |
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ex laser
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+1 i live in the west midlands, so am lucky in that there are at least a dozen clubs with in 25 miles of my home. but if draycote was the only club in the area, i would give up sailing because it would not give me the same things rupert has already mentioned. and before anyone posts, i am not running down draycote. its a great club. it just does not suit me. |
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JimC
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Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 1:00pm |
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What's changed, I think, is that when I was young my club might have boats from 5 classes, the club down the road might have boats from 6 classes, and the one in the next town 4 classes, but only one class was common to all of them and there were 12 classes being sailed in my area. Now there are still 12 classes sailed in my area, but some of each at every club. |
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