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narc ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
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Why carbon? Try righting an old 14 with an ali mast!
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505s; lead to them being banned and they still are ... which seems a shame to put a tin rig ona ful lcarbon hull. |
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http://www.louisvuittontrophy.com/gallery/show.php?id=2462 OUCH!....carbon, easily fixed? |
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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They reckoned that they would get that boat back racing in
3-4 days...Pretty fast I reckon. |
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Skiffybob ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 842 |
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A bit of chocky spread and some gaffa tape, and it'll be fine
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Rockhopper ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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The vareo has the alloy bottom section with a fibreglass tip this is one boat that when it was tried went very well with a carbon mast and a new cut sail but most owners did not want it at the time some of those who complained the most no longer have vareos so perhaps its time to start thinking about it again. I know one of the testing team said it went like a rocket downwind with the carbon rig and was alot quicker upwind |
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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Carbon benefited the Phantom. It has allowed a wider spectrum of weights to compete well bringing the low end of the weight band down to about 13 stone. Prior to that the ali rigs were very stiff and didn't allow the gust response that kept the lightweights out of the class. Personally it hasn't helped me as I frequent the higher weight ranges, but to be honest I do still like the gust response better than with my old superspar M7 scaffolding pole. As a general performance guide though I don't think it makes that much difference as I have finished 9th one year at the nats with tin and 10th the next with carbon.
The weight of the rig is beneficial, especially with stepping the mast. The epoxy hull with a tin rig (and sail raised) used to fall over like a RS300 at rest whereas with the carbon will sit in the water no probs. I think though that carbon was also part of the "sexing up" of the class that has helped to its rejuvination. With dacron sails & tin rigs it looked a bit old fashioned, whereas now its bang up to date. The effect of pimping the boat should never be underestimated. I know its a bit vain but there it is, a lot of people are like that. Something had to get the people into the class, and before anyone mentions it, it wasn't because the boat was deemed to be a py bandit either. Carbon made an appearance on most of the polyester boats and therefore no one realised it until after all of the boats had carbon & plastic sails & the introduction of the epoxy hull. |
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spin cycle ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Oct 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 43 |
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carbon and aluminium with a few rivets equals very short life time if not properly protected. I had this issue with a 14 racks where the aluminium around the rivets dissolved. Carbon masts are great and for one design rigs there is probably less difference in bend characteristics than alloy masts. ie laser sailors prefer top sections from new zealand rather than the uk a few years ago due to the aluminium it had sourced. AS for costs for olympic one designs masts well blame the class association. The cost of shirley roberston's Sydney rig was far more than her wing rig for Alanta as they had to change the bend characteristics by sanding or adding carbon on the inside of the mast due to the mast having set external , section. the old rules meant you could do all this on the outer section far easier and a lot less stresfull. Me I have just pulled a Carbon based rig (wood) out for a 40 year old mirror as my 3 year old wants to go sailing!!
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tickler ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jun 07 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 895 |
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My little Byte mast is a brilliant piece of engineering. It bends progressively into an even but increasing curve. I presume that this is achieved by the type of weave and mix of fibers. However this mast is brand new, the chap who sold me the boat preferred to keep his original mast which bent off more at the top and has a finer weave , so he gave me the new one. Since he is a brilliant sailor and I am considerably less than that we are unable to make any performance comparison. However the "boy" borrowed my boat on a windy day recently and they scored one win each. The "boys" Lightning mast, alloy/carbon seems very soft and bends all over the place but he still wins a lot. Perhaps we are being a bit pernickity. Good sailors can adapt their style to suit mast characteristics.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The lightning is an interesting case in point. When the Needlespar Ali mast was no longer available, the best way to get a mast where the bend matched was to go for a carbon top section. The bend characteristics are close enough that both dacron and mylar sails work on both masts equally well. Open meeting results show a mixture of mast types and sail cloth types, with no one thing dominating.
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