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    Posted: 18 Jan 05 at 2:03pm
I know this won't be to popular with the Skiffies and Cats but I borrowed a Topaz Trez over the summer to sail a family week and a couple of regattas. My son is 13 and about 35kgs and I'm about 85 kgs. The trez has a trapeze and asymetric and was really good fun. It small enough for me to be able to control in stronger winds and big enough for my son to trapeze in the lighter winds. It's easy to right by myself after a capsize so my son just has to hang on and it seems to be damn near indestructible.  I'm currently waiting for my son to have a growth spurt otherwise we would probably have bought one. It's only really suitable for an adult with a junior, in 6 months time I could have a 6ft tall 11st son as a crew and it starts getting a bit crowded with an adult at the front. My son desparately wants a Laser 4000 but having seen one in the flesh this summer I've told him he needs to grow a bit first as they are alot bigger than I thought.
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Don't get me wrong the topaz is not a bad boat, my only real beef with it is the kite system on the tres rig, because the sock is a too short and is very narrow (that and I remember one of the shrouds snapping pulling the boat up from a capsize ).  I don't know if the kite system has been fixed, but I guess if you can handle that then the rest of the boat is pretty good for when it comes to training, which is, lets face it, what it is designed for. 

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I fully agree Phil, it's best used for training and this is what I was using it for with my son. By the time we get to the "proper" skiffs he will be comfotable on a trapeze and operating an asymetric. I can't think of any other trapeze boat I could sail with a junior. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wave Rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:06pm
How about a buzz..............the're quite forgiving, fairly big and in a blow can go like stink..although thyere not as indestructible as topazes!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:06pm
but the topazes are plastic and most of the plastic boats are slow and arnt very attractive a buzz is your best bet or if you fell up to it an iso  ether way you wont grow out of them boats and they are cheap and have a sort of good racing scene.   defenatly buy a skiff dont buy a laser 2 ect they are the past not the future.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil eltringham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:23pm

The problem with a buzz is that the 5 and a bit stone of John's son is not really enough on the wire, the crew needs at the very least 8-9 (to put it in perspective 405 crews are at their best when they are about 8 stone) .  Once they have got the hang of the topaz and John's son grows up they can always swap round and get something a bit bigger (buzz, 4000?) or stay that way round and get something like a 29er (John will have to sit forward a bit but with no kicker to get in the way of the crew that should not be a problem).  It kind of depends how the son grows up and if he wants to go down the 'youth' route. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:32pm
the best thing is to wait till he find out how big his son is going to be and then decide cos you might find that his son has a suden growth spert and terns into 4000 material over night. anyway i have seen 12 year old girls on the trapeze before and a 14 year old helm in a buzz
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 8:52pm

Sounds like optimist size at 35kg. Otherwise i'd go for an rs200.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Alex C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jan 05 at 2:58pm

i've seen tiny crews in the buzz. one guy used to sail with his  son and to begin with he can't have been any more than 5 or six stone. The dad just used to helm from the wire when it got really windy. They won the nationals a couple of years later. You can also pick up buzzes incredibly cheap if you look around, so definately worth at least test sailing.

 

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