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    Posted: 28 Jun 17 at 9:14am
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This is probably not what people want to read, but personally I think this is all symptomatic of there being far too many sailing clubs offering the same damn thing.... processional handicap racing.  

Back in the day we used to change clubs if we fancied a change in class- this at least gave points of difference between local clubs and provided a decent quality of racing in largely suitable boats for any given water. 

 You could then all come together for annual regattas where handicap racing served a wonderful purpose of uniting the clans and throwing a good craic on the water and off it.  

There simply isn't the critical mass left to justify the vast number of sailing clubs imho....  I think we will see consolidation when the baby boomers hang up their hikers and their simply isn't the voluntary resource to keep clubs sustainable.  

What would be better for the sport would be a managed process rather than decimation by a thousand cuts.  In fact with a programme of closures and mergers, dinghy sailing might actually reverse the effective churn we are likely to see.  This is especially likely if those clubs that are left, don't offer a quality of racing acceptable to the new generation coming through.  Today's joe average has experienced wonderful racing in the youth and university scenes, even if they never got out the bottom third of the fleet- if local racing wants to compete for their attention, then frankly it needs to up its game somewhat from what a lot clubs seems to offer.





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Originally posted by turnturtle

This is probably not what people want to read, but personally I think this is all symptomatic of there being far too many sailing clubs offering the same damn thing.... processional handicap racing.  

Back in the day we used to change clubs if we fancied a change in class- this at least gave points of difference between local clubs and provided a decent quality of racing in largely suitable boats for any given water. 

 You could then all come together for annual regattas where handicap racing served a wonderful purpose of uniting the clans and throwing a good craic on the water and off it.  

There simply isn't the critical mass left to justify the vast number of sailing clubs imho....  I think we will see consolidation when the baby boomers hang up their hikers and their simply isn't the voluntary resource to keep clubs sustainable.  

What would be better for the sport would be a managed process rather than decimation by a thousand cuts.  In fact with a programme of closures and mergers, dinghy sailing might actually reverse the effective churn we are likely to see.  This is especially likely if those clubs that are left, don't offer a quality of racing acceptable to the new generation coming through.  Today's joe average has experienced wonderful racing in the youth and university scenes, even if they never got out the bottom third of the fleet- if local racing wants to compete for their attention, then frankly it needs to up its game somewhat from what a lot clubs seems to offer.

Completely agree. Having been out of sailing for nearly 20yrs, I am gob-smacked that there are so many sailing clubs still, with such fewer active members  offering the same that they did 20+ years ago. I personally think that a merging and consolidation would strengthen sailing overall and what it, and clubs, has to offer. We all still cling on to the corinthian origins of yesteryear, forgetting that time has moved on and what people want and have time for and are prepared to input into. Near where I sail, there are 4 sailing clubs within a mile of each other on the same stretch of water - all struggling clubs. 


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Our Vice Commodore is Commodore of another club with only four members, different lake though 😊 this other club has full facilities, club house, safety boats etc.
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I think the important word here is "Club" :- "an association dedicated to a particular interest or activity". If the club mentioned above can maintain it's existence, pay it's expenses and provide those four members with something they value then I'd say good luck to them. Most sailors will have clubs with active Laser, Solo, Merlin, RS400 or WHY fleets within striking distance. My current club was formed by the merger of my old club (in my teens I was a member of Leigh SC) and the adjacent club, Lowton SC both sharing the same water. When a club's membership falls below critical mass the club will be forced to close or merge with another if that doesn't happen I don't see a way that any outside organisation could excerpt any influence.

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Exactly SS. "Club" if group of people gang together for some fun I say good luck and leave 'em to it.

If someone wants to set up a all pay n play centre with no responsibilities for members barring fiscal then I say the same, fill yer boots. 

People will ultimately always vote with their feet, it is the natural evolutionary way and attempts at the imposition of grand models are possibly fine in theory but not to great in practice.

 
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I have no issues with clubs that are struggling for members, people are obviously enjoying sailing there. I wouldn't think elite sailors from University squad's would join small struggling clubs anyway, their are plenty of successful large clubs with decent water, plenty of these within an hour of me.

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Originally posted by Do Different

People will ultimately always vote with their feet, it is the natural evolutionary way and attempts at the imposition of grand models are possibly fine in theory but not to great in practice.

 

it's a valid point...  I do accept that folks aren't going to take too kindly to the RYA telling them to merge- either directly, or through other means.

I do wonder if we're one fatality, or serious injury, away from our wider litigious culture that would effectively make smaller clubs insolvent through insurance premiums.... (sorry, different thread maybe?)
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No, valid point, lots of events have been cancelled due to insurance,all manner of sports and pastimes, perhaps this will end small clubs.
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Or perhaps it is more symptomatic of the general move towards a selfish nature that is occurring in this country. Those that keep the club's going are the baby boomers who come from an age where you help your neighbour. These days people are more interested in their wallets than their neighbours. Coupled with less spare time for the sport people don't want to help out, they want to get out there and sail in that limited time often not realising or not caring that this attitude will lead to clubs disappearing.

Edited by maxibuddah - 28 Jun 17 at 1:43pm
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