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    Posted: 03 Feb 15 at 3:37pm
Yes, in that situation, the trouble is that you want to go DDW to hoist, then luff to set. While you are hoisting, where are the Lasers supposed to go? They can't go below you without ending up in a big hole in the wind, and then below the boats they are racing against. They could gybe away, I suppose, but then you may well set and gybe and then they would be in the same position.

As you say, harmony not in abundance.
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Originally posted by Neptune

Thing is in my experience most asymmetric boats look out for each other as they realize the other guy can't always see them.  It's the responsibility of both boats ultimately to try and avoid collisions

The reality is most sailors are not aware of the angles and field of vision thing.... which is why slow-hoisting the 100 at the windward mark saw a pack of Lasers try and sail above me once..... I think took half of them out to my gybe lline and they were swearing like troopers.... their race was ruined, but what was I supposed to do- they elected to sail above me from clear astern whilst hoisting, and once it's flying you need to keep it that way, not wait for a pack of Lasers to keep piling in around you.

Lesson learned there for them I hope, but it doesn't make for harmonious sharing of courses.  


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Thing is in my experience most asymmetric boats look out for each other as they realize the other guy can't always see them.  It's the responsibility of both boats ultimately to try and avoid collisions
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I may have been a little unfair to Neptune in taking that part of his post out of context, as it was part of an explanation as to why he may not do the big handicap events.

I'm sure at one time there were big asymmetric handicap events, weren't there? It would make sense - maybe put a yardstick maximum in to ensure you are getting boats which use the apparent wind as Asys ought to, then they can crash into each other to their heart's content without having to worry about us slow boats.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Washy71

No blame on either side, a racing accident.


We don't have that concept in sailing.



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Originally posted by Washy71

No blame on either side, a racing accident.


We don't have that concept in sailing.

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...An important purpose of the rules of Part 2 is to avoid contact
between boats. All boats, whether or not holding right of way, should keep
a lookout, particularly when approaching a mark.


If you aren't going to be able to keep a satisfactory lookout in the prevailing circumstances then you shouldn't be in the race. What is satisfactory is going to vary with circumstances, but I've certainly retired from the Bloody Mary because we weren't confident we were able to keep a satisfactory lookout in the prevailing conditions with the level of experience in the boat we had on board. A big mixed fleet and especially a pursuit race is a lot more difficult than a class race.



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I'd also say that' why i'm keen to avoid racing around what could almost be bunch of stationary objects.  I don't object to not everyone seeing things the same way - I like my racing fast, i like the tactical options it brings

All boat's have their Achilles heel - perversely the faster you are sailing a high speed boat the lower you can wire and the better visibility you have.
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The courses have a huge impact too, but so does how the other boats treat you.  Its bloody hard piloting a Musto or similar down a leg with the kite up, you try to see where you are going, but its never helps that people don't give you warning they are there until too late.  




I find that just so, so wrong. If a boat has been designed in such a way that the person sailing it has a massive blind spot while traveling at what could be 20 knots, then I really don't want to be sharing the water with them. A small boat trogging back upwind at maybe 3 knots doesn't stand much chance of spotting which skiff coming down at extreme speeds and angles is going to be in the way, let alone being heard by the skiff sailors, who are upwind. Blaming other boats for your lack of look out really isn't good enough.

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Originally posted by Neptune

The courses have a huge impact too, but so does how the other boats treat you.  Its bloody hard piloting a Musto or similar down a leg with the kite up, you try to see where you are going, but its never helps that people don't give you warning they are there until too late.  
I find that just so, so wrong. If a boat has been designed in such a way that the person sailing it has a massive blind spot while traveling at what could be 20 knots, then I really don't want to be sharing the water with them. A small boat trogging back upwind at maybe 3 knots doesn't stand much chance of spotting which skiff coming down at extreme speeds and angles is going to be in the way, let alone being heard by the skiff sailors, who are upwind. Blaming other boats for your lack of look out really isn't good enough.


I had a big pile up with a Musto Skiff at Grafham last year. He couldn't see me due kite induced black spot and I couldn't see him as I was close hauled and he was over my shoulder. I spotted him as I looked over my shoulder getting ready to tack. I called out and turned as fast as I could but nothing he or I could do to avoid a collision. Lucky neither of us was seriously hurt as it was a pretty big crash. No blame on either side, a racing accident.
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The courses have a huge impact too, but so does how the other boats treat you.  Its bloody hard piloting a Musto or similar down a leg with the kite up, you try to see where you are going, but its never helps that people don't give you warning they are there until too late.  




I find that just so, so wrong. If a boat has been designed in such a way that the person sailing it has a massive blind spot while traveling at what could be 20 knots, then I really don't want to be sharing the water with them. A small boat trogging back upwind at maybe 3 knots doesn't stand much chance of spotting which skiff coming down at extreme speeds and angles is going to be in the way, let alone being heard by the skiff sailors, who are upwind. Blaming other boats for your lack of look out really isn't good enough.
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