Widening the weight range.

The Flyer appears to have rather misunderstood what makes a skiff type boat tick, and with its failure (which was also predictable when you look at what people buying fast boats want, often - to get an adrinaline rush, not to spend weeks in a garage) so went the company.

I think Grumph is looking for something even more simple. Trouble is it also has to be waterproof and to sail well, things which an Ikea wardrobe doesn't have to do.

The Snark, sold in supermarkets in the USA in times gone by is probably the only sailing dinghy to have the accessibility GRF is looking for, and I don't think he would be impressed by the performance.

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow Originally posted by iGRF Why is it, just because we're light, everyone seems to think we have to have short length boats? I seriously looked at that Farr, it should be right up my street, but 370? Really? I wouldn't look at a race board that short, even 380 is pushing it. And that picture in Y&Y a 'new' boat for us to enjoy here in the 21st century, made of wood and looking like just about every other 1970's design, it really is 'back to the future' back here in good old 1985, even the Rooster Streaker looks more modern I'd sooner put a trap on that. If you looked a little further, say on Butler Boats Facebook page, you might see that there is a composite mould being made iGRF. Size has a relationship to weight as well as a relationship to being able to make one in your garage. But the biggest relationship that size has is to is FUN. Shorter boats are more lively and therefore more FUN to sail. The first two relationships also add to the FUN triangle as moving light boats around is more FUN and certainly building one yourself is a lot of FUN.... ...So you see it isn't that light people (& kids) have to have short boats, it's just that light people ( &kids) like to have FUN.

I thought that is roughly how it can be supplied? It'll take far longer than a weekend to build, though, and take some basic woodworking skills - the end product is rather more complex than a wardrobe.

Originally posted by iGRF Nope, it needs to be sold Ikea Style... Boat in a Box, easy assembly everything you need to make this exciting new boat, £999.99. It's a dumbed down world we live in, we want it and we want it now, don't mind spending a weekend putting it together, nothing more I'm afraid. That Butler Boats should prefabricate it then pack it all up in a box, you might sell a few more.

So are all the parts pre-painted in your scenario, GRF?

I don't think the 3.7 would work for this (too complex a shape) but I'm sure it would be possible to make a very simple boat to be put together in a weekend (with primed panels to reduce the amount of painting) but the compromises in design for the construction over the performance would be pretty big. The method of slotting the panels together has been around for 40 years or more, but normally there are a lot of parts, so it takes time. Best bet would probably be a scow shape boat - could even be totally rectangular, vertical sided - all the shape in the flat bottom panel, built upside down off a flat deck. Would go great on a reach.