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    Posted: 29 Sep 14 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by jeffers

 Class racing 'run what yer brung'. This is what happens as most low level Laser events, radials and 4.7s all start at the same time although there may be a separate prize structure for them and their results get listed separately.

That's exactly what the Lasers do at my old club- and it seems to work out alright given they got over 60 different starters this year.  When I was sailing Lasers there we'd be lucky to get double figures.  
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Plenty of negativity of ongoing validity on there, though!

Trying to bury bad comments on the internet is a waste of time they always resurface usually with more force ... 
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Graeme the review by the american was written by the Ameican retailer was it not?  No idea who did the rooster test?  As for class association, there is a website....
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It's even got, no wait, yes.. it's own Class Assocaition


yes I noticed that- interesting that one of the initial posts referenced what appears to be a defect / manufacturing compromise on the mast track join.  

The mast sections were a very good circumference fit, snug but smooth. the two sections did not butt together fully though, due to the positioning of the track a 1-2mm gap is left between the two sections, not sure that it is a problem, but it didn't feel quite like the best quality had been applied.
The sail ran up the track very smoothly, a minor difficulty encountered where the thin and thick lines that make up the halyard join and wouldn't go through the eye easily, but it came through on the third tug. I'm sure a bit of tape or whipping twine to shrink the bulk of the knot will help this.


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Graeme the review by the american was written by the Ameican retailer was it not?  No idea who did the rooster test?  As for class association, there is a website....


I know you think I've been knobbled, but I really haven't, I just googled to see what would come up and I could hardly cancel one and go for the other when they both have exactly the same problem. I posted this just for info in a central thread, folk will make their own decisions and five will get you ten that will be location driven.
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Originally posted by Null

Graeme the review by the american was written by the Ameican retailer was it not?  No idea who did the rooster test?  As for class association, there is a website....

Correct that review is written by the guy who is the main US reseller...hardly surprising he will be bigging it up!
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The point was not to bury anything, just to have a thread labelled with the name of the boat and just try and focus on the boat itself and not endless PY ramblings or comparisons. The whole point of any thread is that they can have good and bad comments, its just better when they are based on experience of the boat. When our orders went in I think they said about 30 boats had been delivered, but they certainly haven't been as quick off the mark as they might have been. Quality wise, we will just have to see, but from what I have seen from 3 sails, the hull seems very well put together. Foils are different from the usual RS fare and seemed fine, but not d-one quality (albeit they are outstanding). Mast and boom worked fine and looked OK, although I could do without all the branding stuff. 

Perhaps it is a bit soon, but the Gurnard guys will have to keep us going for now.
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Originally posted by jeffers


Originally posted by Null

Graeme the review by the american was written by the Ameican retailer was it not?  No idea who did the rooster test?  As for class association, there is a website....

Correct that review is written by the guy who is the main US reseller...hardly surprising he will be bigging it up!

True, but by the same token, he's hardly going to be risking investment capital, and flying to England then taking all the trouble to write that up if the boat is a dog is he?

They're not dogs, either of them as you already know with your boat and other folk know with theirs. I think the bigger enemy is those who would enviously target them for restricted use by yardstick penalty, that is by far a greater evil than an enthusiastic write up by a reseller.
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Originally posted by Null

Graeme the review by the american was written by the Ameican retailer was it not?  No idea who did the rooster test?  As for class association, there is a website....


I know you think I've been knobbled, but I really haven't, I just googled to see what would come up and I could hardly cancel one and go for the other when they both have exactly the same problem. I posted this just for info in a central thread, folk will make their own decisions and five will get you ten that will be location driven.

Graeme i have to admit i did think that, but actually i think you are just disillusioned with dinghy sailing as a whole.  We all get like that from time to time.  Sometimes i find its best to have a break.  I'm not sure you want or need advice from a bloke nearly half your age.  But im going to give it anyway.  I was told by one of the countries top sailors that sailing is all about compromise.  From sail cuts to hull shapes things need to work across a multitude of conditions, waters, sailing types etc.  There is NO perfect boat for every situation.  much like there is not a perfect mountain bike (as i found out as my collection grows) The secret is to find a boat that best fits you, and where you sail/type of sailing you do most.  Then stick at it and it will come!  To my mind you should be sailing a streaker or dare i say it a D-Zero.  The PY is kind of irrelevant, the system will catch up and give you a benchmark to improve upon.  You have a huge amount of tactical experience, so sticking with one class and learning yourself and from others about how the boat should work and you could be a great dinghy sailor.  All i see you do at the moment is swap and moan, because you have either allowed yourself to be sold or bought yourself into the wrong boat.  i spent so many years chasing what i thought was what i wanted from sailing.  it wasn't, it just slowly eroded my love for a great sport.  I hope sailing the Graduate and the D-Zero rekindles the spark.  It looks set to.  if it doesn't then it maybe time for me to hangup the hikers for a few more years.
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Originally posted by iGRF

 
True, but by the same token, he's hardly going to be risking investment capital, and flying to England then taking all the trouble to write that up if the boat is a dog is he?

Depends on his morals I suppose..... It was reported on sailing anarchy as shock horror...american RS dealer like new RS boat.....

To be fair I have not sailed an Aero, I would like to at some point but it will need to go a long way to be better than my D-Zero (just my opinion you understand) and it certainly is not at aesthetically pleasing as the D-Zero.
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