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    Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 10:25pm
"To question the honesty of a young person" no one did this though. They just asked what advantage wings would give (if they had been fitted)

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Posts: 116 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 10:21pm
''The real issue should not be the one of mistaken identity but that of trialing a different rig with out approval''

Assuming that the 420 did have a t foil rudder, which was what everyone knew to the best of their knowledge up til about pg14 of this thread, everyone asking questions about it's right to sail, and dispensation/allocation of handicap was, at least in my opinion, at liberty to do so. otherwise, in the hypothetical situation that a 420 had been sailing with wings, where do people voice their opinions and whatnot?

I also see no reason why the RS was more of a pressing issue than the 420, up until the point when it was revealed that the 420 was in fact, a national 12... As an ex topper squad sailor, i have always expected to be treated just the same as any other sailor at an event.

As it is, it was just a case of boat mis-identification.
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Posts: 2143 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by gbr940

Random question - why do we even still use the 420 nowadays? When I was younger I couldn't think of anything more boring when I saw them at the sailing club and the Dinghy Show, and nowadays they just look old and aged. 

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Posts: 223 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 5:33pm
I have no objection to supportive parents. I am still one even though I am no longer needed, but I do object to kids being sold a dream of Olympic glory which will probably never be attained. I know parents who were sucked into this conspiracy only to emerge with scale free eyes and a 29er rotting behind the shed. There must be a better way of encouraging youth participation without mis representation.
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Posts: 6 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 4:54pm
Hi Mike
I thought I would support you in this. To question the honesty of a young person and then to have your facts wrong is inexcusable. Why has there not been an apology to the young sailors. How someone spends their time and money should not a concern. Had my daughter been less interest in other forms of sport, which her mother drove her around the country to do. I would have been more than willing l to have brought her a suitable boat and transported her and it. We have a family in the sailing club that I belong to that has a daugther in the Topper Squad and a son in the National Laser Squad with a second son just starting in the 29 er's. These parents have given up their own social lives and have had to do with out to ensure that their children are doing what they enjoy. I can only raise my hats to them. The real issue should not be the one of mistaken identity but that of trialing a different rig with out approval. How ever because it's a commercial company very little has been said about it. Glad to see that your boys are doing well. Piggys brother.  
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Posts: 1151 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by Pierre

Originally posted by SoggyBadger

Originally posted by Peaky

Why should a child who has nothing to defend himself against come on here to do that?

I think Mike's tone has been good humoured and well mannered, and I couldn't blame him if he was a bit miffed by some of the comments.


Here here.

Here here.
I think Mike should learn to let his kids have their own voice ...
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Posts: 1532 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by SoggyBadger

Originally posted by Peaky

Why should a child who has nothing to defend himself against come on here to do that?

I think Mike's tone has been good humoured and well mannered, and I couldn't blame him if he was a bit miffed by some of the comments.


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Posts: 1151 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by 2547

if little Jonny had posted himself rather than getting daddy to do it ...

What makes you think that little Jonny isn't squirming with embarrassment, wishing his daddy (who he had never asked to get involved anyway) had kept out of it?
Possibly the case but the same applies, most kids are not slow at point out to their parents when to shut up ...
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Posts: 3958 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by iGRF

It never ceases to amaze me why folk get so wound up by what goes on t'internet anyway, it's got an off switch and none of it means anything, it's just chatter and often ill formed or inaccurate as has clearly been demonstrated.

"I read it on the internet so it must be true", sadly is no longer the case, the CIA edit wikipedia ffs.


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Posts: 852 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 1:14pm
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