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frow3n ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 12 Location: London Online Status: Offline Posts: 95 |
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Perhaps... :)
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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That's exactly what Linton did- a full carbon 600 knocked 20+ kilos off the hull weight. The reason the 600ff is dead is that it used primitive tech, compared to moth dev curve, and there's too much plastic in the air once it's foiling. |
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frow3n ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 12 Location: London Online Status: Offline Posts: 95 |
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Hmm... I had a long hard think today... and it's been narrowed down to two choices...
International Moth or MPS... doublehander could still be in there but I'm doubting it. MPS I'll try in Minorca next summer. Any QM moth sailors here? :)
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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A lot of development has gone into foiling moths.
No point re-inventing those wheels. The only way an amateur is ever going to improve on the moth is probably to opt out of one or more of the class rules, which boils down to more sail area or more length. You might be looking to reduce the windspeed needed for foiling or to carry more weight. Does the ability of foilers to sail efficiently heeled to windward reduce the relevance of trapezes? Loved the foiling 16's. Do they have any handicap which might translate to PY or do they only fleet race? Is there any measure of the RTC speed improvement from foils in this class, like course records or anything? |
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frow3n ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 12 Location: London Online Status: Offline Posts: 95 |
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Hmmm... I'm not sure.. briefly heard about them 2 years ago... that's the last of it I remember !
I've sort of gone off the idea of building... it costs a lot and considering I'm in my GCSE year then its not the best idea to go build a boat!
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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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fred, find a friend and buy my cherub ;)
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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GCSE schmee cee see eseeee There is never a good time to do this sort of thing looking at it like that. If you want it, do it. However... Unless you have long term access to tools, a decent workspace and ideally some kinda mentoring figure etc then you will find this pretty difficult. Like pond monkey says, you will spend a lot of cash to make this happen whichever way you do it. How long it takes depends on the other element of the holy trinity of project management - quality. I would say that if you are spending the beginnings of a house deposit anyhow, you should dignify it with doing it as nicely as possible. You can spend ten grand chucking something together shoddy in a year to scratch the itch, or if you want to do it nicely it'll take much longer. Getting bogged down in design isn't strictly necessary, depending on how off piste you are going, hence the value in working to existing class rules. Any suitable part you can buy off te shelf will help. I'd have a good long think about why you feel that what's out there isn't enough, and how you would do it if differently. I.e before even thinking of commiting, you should know exactly how you are going to do everything. My advice is that you are a young lad, keep these ideas on ice, get out and develop your own sailing, sail a lot of different boats, maybe do some volunteer work for a boatbuilder to learn some skills and maybe eventually earn some beer money. Maintain/repair/modify your own gear. I would be a bit careful reading "hpS" as some of it is a bit bull. Read the gougeon brothers wooden boat building book. A lot of it analogues into frp, and it's good for building tools. Also yacht design by Larson and eliason and skenes elements of yacht design. As and when you grow jaded of the beer, 29er sailing and fanny, and you still want to scratch the itch, that may be the time. |
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tick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 223 |
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How great was my youth in racing model yachts. It was possible to have an idea and knock it together on the kitchen table for a few quid. I never built a hull but I played around with kite shapes and equipment. In those days there was not even any radio control to worry about just vane steering and I spent many hours with brass wire, Meccano gears and silver solder.
In my experience it is a rare youth who can doggedly plough on month after month with a substantial project.
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Yeah, most just post some fantasy on a forum that they abandon a day later ...
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tick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 223 |
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Don't be too cruel. The only way to find your limitations regarding concentration and stickability is to have a go. But try not to spend a lot of money on the way. The World is littered with unfinished projects.
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