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    Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 2:29pm
I'm away at the moment, but have done some polar plots for the
RS100. You can use these to determine downwind angles for best
VMG. Although the hull drag data is modified from a 29er it looks
about right, but obviously it's all just approximate! I will post some
plots next week when I'm back.   
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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Yep VMG  iz the buzzzz word at the mo'


Cripes, don't let GRUMPF or oldarn in on this, otherwise we'll have
pages and pages of cr*p about the Alto...



Er Jim far be it from me to drag you into the twentyfirst century, but VMG
ceased being a 'buzz' word in the nineties..

I realise things are slow to permeate the dark depths of the fatherland,
even the sad news of the demise of the 59er never quite made it that far..

But anyway. VMG is done, everyone knows what it is and how it works
there are even computer programmes that work it out for you attached to
GPS, gone are the days when instinct prevailed..

Instinct I might add honed in windsurfing, where banging the downwind
corners came from.

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Yep I know that, I meant VMG is that which should be apparent from all this
discussion. You´ve got to get faster (than everyone else) to the mark. How
you do it is another problem...
Pass the skiff, man!
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Oh and just a last point bout the Alto, you do at least have the choice,
many's the time having to heat to high an angle has under laid the mark and
the last few hundred yards been saved by swinging that pole and dead
running, whilst the opponent had the joy of two more gybes in the same
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At the risk of hijacking the 100 thread Alto styleeee.....can you actually swing it round so far as to go dead down wind like a conventional pole arrangement?

That is what I like about the 400, although sometimes you could do with a bit more wing n wang if you know what I mean.

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Originally posted by timg

At the risk of hijacking the 100 thread Alto
styleeee.....can you actually swing it round so far as to go dead down
wind
like a conventional pole arrangement?


That is what I like about the 400, although sometimes you could do
with
a bit more wing n wang if you know what I mean.




Yes, you can dead run if necessary which comes in handy now and again
if
you've run out of planing puff for example, or over cooked it on a mark
near a lee shore and there's nowhere else to go but back the way you
came
or dead run to the mark. It's what makes the Alto the tactical weapon it
is.
I know I'm going to be p1ssed the RS100 pole doesn't swivel.

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Oh and just a last point bout the Alto, you do at least have the choice,
many's the time having to heat to high an angle has under laid the mark and
the last few hundred yards been saved by swinging that pole and dead
running, whilst the opponent had the joy of two more gybes in the same
space.

I know as a 59er sailer I shouldn't throw stones living in a greenhouse and  at the risk of being accused of highjacking, but exactly how many Altos have been sold? What's the, ahem, GB fleet size - 3 ? An indication that the swinging pole idea might not have been the most effective marketing tool ever for a 505 hull with an asymmetric symmetric er, stickyout thingy...

Before I get the characteristic GRUMPF response, our 59er fleet is growing now... 

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It's a long story of lack of marketing competence, lack of co-operation
between manufacturer and designer and just generally slow getting out of
the blocks, best told on another thread rather than taking this one way off
base.

Not that the RS100 is particularly quick in that regard, they have however
been better with the smoke and mirrors..

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A year?

For one boat?

My dear boy, in the real world entire product ranges rotate in a year in fact
twice a year.
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In fact think about it a second.

Tell me another business where you do this to a customer.

First drag him two hundred miles away to see and try the product.

Then extract a deposit if he 'wants to be one of the early adopters'

Then tell him periodically how you've changed what he bought whilst
assuring him it's going to be for the better.

Then torment him with not one but two 'launches' at high profile shows
with still no delivery date.

Then torment him still further by selling one to a snowboarder who rather
than use it takes to the mountains.

Then even more torment as the snowboarder demonstrates as far as
sailing is concerned, he's a better snowboarder.

And still don't give a delivery date.

I swear, Governments will probably change before I get to sail it.

Feck it I think I might as well change my name to Lord and go learn to foil
a moth.

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