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I'm away at the moment, but have done some polar plots for the
RS100. You can use these to determine downwind angles for best VMG. Although the hull drag data is modified from a 29er it looks about right, but obviously it's all just approximate! I will post some plots next week when I'm back. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Er Jim far be it from me to drag you into the twentyfirst century, but VMG ceased being a 'buzz' word in the nineties.. I realise things are slow to permeate the dark depths of the fatherland, even the sad news of the demise of the 59er never quite made it that far.. But anyway. VMG is done, everyone knows what it is and how it works there are even computer programmes that work it out for you attached to GPS, gone are the days when instinct prevailed.. Instinct I might add honed in windsurfing, where banging the downwind corners came from. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Slippery Jim ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Nov 09 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 586 |
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Yep I know that, I meant VMG is that which should be apparent from all this
discussion. You´ve got to get faster (than everyone else) to the mark. How you do it is another problem... ![]() |
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Pass the skiff, man!
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Oh and just a last point bout the Alto, you do at least have the choice,
many's the time having to heat to high an angle has under laid the mark and the last few hundred yards been saved by swinging that pole and dead running, whilst the opponent had the joy of two more gybes in the same space. |
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At the risk of hijacking the 100 thread Alto styleeee.....can you actually swing it round so far as to go dead down wind like a conventional pole arrangement? That is what I like about the 400, although sometimes you could do with a bit more wing n wang if you know what I mean. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Yes, you can dead run if necessary which comes in handy now and again if you've run out of planing puff for example, or over cooked it on a mark near a lee shore and there's nowhere else to go but back the way you came or dead run to the mark. It's what makes the Alto the tactical weapon it is. I know I'm going to be p1ssed the RS100 pole doesn't swivel. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Slippery Jim ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Nov 09 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 586 |
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I know as a 59er sailer I shouldn't throw stones living in a greenhouse and at the risk of being accused of highjacking, but exactly how many Altos have been sold? What's the, ahem, GB fleet size - 3 ? An indication that the swinging pole idea might not have been the most effective marketing tool ever for a 505 hull with an asymmetric symmetric er, stickyout thingy... Before I get the characteristic GRUMPF response, our 59er fleet is growing now... |
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Pass the skiff, man!
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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It's a long story of lack of marketing competence, lack of co-operation
between manufacturer and designer and just generally slow getting out of the blocks, best told on another thread rather than taking this one way off base. Not that the RS100 is particularly quick in that regard, they have however been better with the smoke and mirrors.. Edited by G.R.F. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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A year?
For one boat? My dear boy, in the real world entire product ranges rotate in a year in fact twice a year. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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In fact think about it a second.
Tell me another business where you do this to a customer. First drag him two hundred miles away to see and try the product. Then extract a deposit if he 'wants to be one of the early adopters' Then tell him periodically how you've changed what he bought whilst assuring him it's going to be for the better. Then torment him with not one but two 'launches' at high profile shows with still no delivery date. Then torment him still further by selling one to a snowboarder who rather than use it takes to the mountains. Then even more torment as the snowboarder demonstrates as far as sailing is concerned, he's a better snowboarder. And still don't give a delivery date. I swear, Governments will probably change before I get to sail it. Feck it I think I might as well change my name to Lord and go learn to foil a moth. Edited by G.R.F. |
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