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Topic: The RS100 Owners Thread Posted: 15 Mar 10 at 3:52pm |
Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one TT...
That's how I caught Nick up at the London show. Chatting at the Steve Nicholson we both agreed that soaking was a bit slow and that it pays to keep the heat on and get your angles right.
Funnily enough it was the first time I put a burgee on so I could see what I was doing downwind....I think it made the difference.
When I first started the D-One coming from the 400 I sailed it too deep downwind and found out really quickly that it was really slow.
I guess you can start testing the two ideas....it will be interesting to find out if the centreboard comes into play on the race course.
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Posted: 15 Mar 10 at 5:13pm |
Originally posted by turnturtle
Sorry guys no sailing this weekend, I was too busy gunning the pistes of Morzine on Saturday and yesterday was spent in planes, minibuses and automobiles, so not a chance to get over to the sailing club.
I have to say there is a remarkable similarity between linking some tight turns on a steep red to nailing those sweet gybes on an RS100- a feeling of near perfection achievable by mere mortals... they're both invigorating from the adrenaline and uplifting from the sense of personal progression. Of course clocking over 30 knots on a snowboard was a nice box to tick, one I'm somewhat dubious our ships will hit... we'll need to sell up and switch to Albacores if we want that level of adrenaline-fuelled sailing
I didn't get down to the Dinghy Exhibition on the previous Saturday, I figured sailing an RS100 was more fun than standing around one talking about it... not meaning to rub it in fellas, but you'd have done the same. Here's some feedback...
The breeze was light winds again, so had the 10.2 rig on. There were a couple of Vagos out and we effectively had some good windward leeward sailing between a couple of marks- not racing, but certainly sailing in company. I sailed freer upwind, absolutely stormed out both the Vagos (no surprise in that respect, total apples and pears, but the difference in physical speed up and down a small lake was massive.)
Tried pinching too to hit some marks as if I was racing and had a bad layline but didn't want to tack. The boat doesn't like it, especially if slightly heeled to leeward, it properly stalls out and feels weird. Note to Self: Those layline calls are going to be important, best to stern clear a higher pointing boat and then tack, rather than try some pathetic attempt at leebowing them.
Offwind- soaking is going to be quicker VMG in the light stuff, again no surprise, I'm sure Rick & Sten would have probably said the same thing if I'd asked the 'when to soak' question. Although I have to admit blasting still good fun, so 'sod it and smile' option like other asymmetric boats is still very much available if you just fancy burning up a few calories. In the real light stuff (e.g. fighting a collapsing kite) I lifted the plate and basically had a true course of the rhum line... hmm, interesting....
Not a huge amount new to say over my first few sails. The kite's getting easier to hoist, a mix of confidence, technique and McLube. The boat seems to be less stop/start upwind, again more to do with me getting the feel back on shifty winds. I'll reiterate that imo the kicker is still going to be the primary control, offwind too. I'm having a different experience to Tim in his D-One in that I'm keeping a bit more kicker on offwind than I would instinctively do... seems to keep the power balance right between the two sails, the mainsail still providing a good power source when properly trimmed.
Basically I spent a week away boarding and I loved every moment of it, however I genuinely missed my RS100 sailing and I'm keen as hell to get back to it this forthcoming weekend... got to be a good sign surely? |
Jimbo, you sound like someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean play, naturally!!! )
P.S. I expected to see you draped over the front of the 100 on the RS stand (not in a bikini) grinning from ear to ear, while mere mortals slobbered over it and asked dum questions like"Wot's it like then?" and so on. Shame you weren't there. Beer's still available, just you'll have to come further to get it 
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Posted: 15 Mar 10 at 6:37pm |
ahhhhh now you mention sub planing!
yes that would work....

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Posted: 15 Mar 10 at 9:32pm |
Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain
(true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and
going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to
the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this
is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you
can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.
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Posted: 15 Mar 10 at 10:55pm |
This thread is just depressing. :( anyone want to buy a really good
Saxophone?
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sorting my life out, one shed at at time
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 7:55am |
Originally posted by Beardy
This thread is just depressing. :( anyone want to buy a really good Saxophone? |
Why d'ya want to sell it? Lighten up a little. Research shows Diazepam (valium) as a pink tablet forumulation aleviates painful depressive episodes, whereas as a white tablet it has a uplifting effect. Try some, or better still get out on the water more!!!!!! Needless to say, noone's yet tried a blue tablet forumulation, or have they? Perhaps, for some the World's best uplifting effect!!! . Feeling better now, Beardy?
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 8:09am |
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Jimbo, you sound like someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean play, naturally!!! ) |
Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...
Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!
Originally posted by timg
Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one TT...
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Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers... finally!!!
You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on that one and good to hear we're sharing ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze, heating up is the best way forward... simple power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge base and it still points towards soaking as the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to weight ratio than either of the sitty-down boats.)
Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track! |
Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain (true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.  |
did you see amac win his first two bullets at the moth worlds by soaking ?
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 8:45am |
Originally posted by asterix
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Jimbo, you sound like someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean play, naturally!!! ) |
Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...
Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!
Originally posted by timg
Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one TT...
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Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers... finally!!!
You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on that one and good to hear we're sharing ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze, heating up is the best way forward... simple power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge base and it still points towards soaking as the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to weight ratio than either of the sitty-down boats.)
Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track! |
Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain (true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.  |
did you see amac win his first two bullets ate the moth worlds by soaking ? |
Are you being rhetorical?
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 1:37pm |
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by asterix
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Jimbo, you sound like someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean play, naturally!!! ) |
Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...
Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!
Originally posted by timg
Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one TT...
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Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers... finally!!!
You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on that one and good to hear we're sharing ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze, heating up is the best way forward... simple power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge base and it still points towards soaking as the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to weight ratio than either of the sitty-down boats.)
Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track! |
Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain (true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.  |
did you see amac win his first two bullets ate the moth worlds by soaking ?
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eek! er. - no I don't think I was? I was just saying (clumsily) that even in foiling moths crap conditions (as TT puts it) can mean that soaking can be successful rather than 'heating it up' (in their case getting on the foils).
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 2:16pm |
Yep VMG iz the buzzzz word at the mo'
Cripes, don't let GRUMPF or oldarn in on this, otherwise we'll have pages and pages of cr*p about the Alto... 
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