New women's Olympic boat

Dont worry landlocked I wont be sailing my 14 off that py. It is indead the joys of being a development class.

On Cherub Handicaps... I heard first hand that at the TASA open meeting at Weston when they had the Cherubs, some older 14, Boss's and other Trapeze asymm stuff, that some Cherubs had claimed a handicap of 900 odd, then were busy telling other people how they were as fast as the 14s on the water!!! What the...!!!!

If the cherub genuinely is running speeds similar to the 14s and 800s then it needs to be honest and have a handicap to match.  If you can't sail it to those numbers, my advice for what it is worth is sail more until you can sail faster!!!!  If you get beaten by a better sailor then you shake them by the hand and think about how to improve, not blame the boat and try to get a slower handicap!!! 

I do accept that a cherub 'problem' is that because there are pre 2005 rules boats that have been converted - and such a wide range of performance from the post 2005 boats - all being sailed by a wide range of people that the PY is never going to fit everyone, but that's what local rules make allowance for - hence the Ichenor and HISC 14's race off of 747 because the fleets are strong and they race the 49er on scratch.

From what I saw at the trial the 2005 rules UK Cherub should be on a PY around 10points slower than an i14 whose National (from club returns) PY is 850 . The 14 is considered marginally slower (again considering the National returns) than the RS800 at 820 and again that seems fair compared to the performance of the Daemon at the trial.  So I would suggest the UKCherub PY is around 860. (Please note that I am expressing my views purely as an individual UK Cherub sailor and am not in any way part of the committee of the UK Cherub Class)

If we do any handicap events in the B1c Cherub (bow is done now Jim - just fitting the correctors and new mast foot), we've decided we're going to race on scratch with the 14s at 850 - After all we think we're almost as quick as them and they are fun to race against...

In the 900's!? Come off it! - The Laser 4000 is on 906!!!

Been away for the weekend (Dove Stone FF open and gusting 35+!!) and catching up on the postings.

Funny you should have mentioned it

that's a statement you dont want to make on here, you might just have RE-opened a can of worms

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A can of worms is right, I have been racing my 2005 rules boat since I built it off a handicap of 930 that is a volentary 45 point cut. 

If I have a good race I finish mid fleet, a bad race I am at the back. 

Of course when people tell me that the boat should obviously have an even lower handicap because someone said that they went down wind qicker than a 49er etc it makes me feel great because it means that they obviously think I am such a rubbish sailor I should finish every race dead last by a long way.

If you think it is so easy to win in a cherub then why not build one and try racing it, otherwise wait till they actually win some big handicap race before you go moaning everywhere.

The handicap is about the average sailor racing not the national champs and elite sailors doing speed runs in brand new underweight boats