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    Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 10:11am
Originally posted by JimC

My dislike of masthead floats

Take your point, Jim.

But the vast majority of our club's L2k's use masthead floats, and boats blowing away downwind are the least of their capsize problems.

Designers: please spend a few quid more on build and take out the side tank volume. Thankyou.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Sorry I do not classify this as an open transom:



The same with the RS100 transom, they are both low but not open (unlike the RS300, Vareo, Blaze, D-1).

The D-Zero transom in not really properly open either IMO (for getting back in post capsize) because there is the traveller in the way.

If you put 90 kgs on the back of a boat this light - it is ;-)

The boat is open transom in hull design terms. The flaps have 3 benefits. They let water out. They keep the mainsheet in the boat. Apparently they keep the USA market happy as generically they don't buy boats with open sterns. - ( Apparently its some sort of witchcraft that keeps the boats from filling with water and sinking  LOL )
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Those videos are a response to the blog post which went viral (and other similar feedback from other users). They are edits from existing footage previously not released - and looking at the last one, I fully appreciate why.

Spinning it as customer service or some kind of user manual - 'fraid not, I have more respect as a straight up response to a criticism than playing it out as a training video... It was a rush job, hence why it has a write up to accompany it rather than a voiceover which would have ensured that the context doesn't get lost and we're not sitting watching it wondering what the hell would happen to that kid if it were a) windier and b) he were sailing without rescue cover.
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Originally posted by jeffers

Sorry I do not classify this as an open transom:



The same with the RS100 transom, they are both low but not open (unlike the RS300, Vareo, Blaze, D-1).

The D-Zero transom in not really properly open either IMO (for getting back in post capsize) because there is the traveller in the way.

If you put 90 kgs on the back of a boat this light - it is ;-)

The boat is open transom in hull design terms. The flaps have 3 benefits. They let water out. They keep the mainsheet in the boat. Apparently they keep the USA market happy as generically they don't buy boats with open sterns. - ( Apparently its some sort of witchcraft that keeps the boats from filling with water and sinking  LOL )

Well put....then again 90kgs on the back of most things would have them 'going down'....

Dare you to post the second part on SA though Simon  Wink
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If you stick a kid on a topper or a Mirror and and he tries to right it to leeward its going to flip, so no different there. The lightness of the boat will help small people get it in the right position and children stand a much better chance of getting back in the aero than they do plenty of older heavier boats with much higher topsides.

I'd say the approach posting the videos is therefore balanced.

Re the end of the post and SA, that is genuine feedback from the USA re open transom boats - oh and there is bound to be witchcraft if its the norm to marry your cousin......allegedly ;-))
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Re the end of the post and SA, that is genuine feedback from the USA re open transom boats - oh and there is bound to be witchcraft if its the norm to marry your cousin......allegedly ;-))

LOL LOL LOL
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by JimC

My dislike of masthead floats

Take your point, Jim.

But the vast majority of our club's L2k's use masthead floats, and boats blowing away downwind are the least of their capsize problems.

Designers: please spend a few quid more on build and take out the side tank volume. Thankyou.

Maybe but I really don't understand what their problem is.  Probably a bit of group think.  The 2000s turtling reputation is overstated.

And anyway so what if it does?  I'm with Jim C.  Doesn't blow away.  Nice and safe out of the water.

And the sylabus needs to go back to teaching people how to operate with a turtled boat.  Scary the small number of instructors and SIs that have actually been under a boat. 
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Doesn't it then?  Definitely one of the first things we did on RYA regional training in 420s in my mid-teens..... going underneath into the air-pocket to get used to it if you ever needed to do it to sort some spinnaker screw up or something.
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Dealing with inversions on the NSS syllabus, but not until Seamanship Skills,which is an advanced module and not taught as often as it should be. The danger of boats blowing awaydownwind is why masthead floats are not compulsory for RTCs.
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So many modern boats don't have the air pocket that it is no longer recommended that people rely on it or use it.
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