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Bootscooter 
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 Topic: RS aeroPosted: 19 Nov 14 at 11:01pm |
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Did you even read the piece? I did a day or 2 ago and I seem to remember that this was at a sailing centre that has mast head floats on all the boats, so he didn't have a choice. |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 11:37pm |
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Sounds to me like the knights have indeed been rattling some cages.
Speaking as the Green Knight who has no interest in purchasing any singlehander, my comments are merely those of a disinterested but not uninterested (and if you don't know the difference you really should) observer. I posted a question re. the D-Zero's capsize performance and received a satisfactory response; I'm not getting that on this thread. The marketing B-S is exemplary, however. |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 11:58pm |
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I felt an overwhelming desire to quote that for posterity - you read it here first folks :-) |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 12:05am |
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I'm afraid observing such things from other classes only qualifies you to Keyboard Warrior Second Dan.... You really need to base your assessment on RYA related conspiracy theories and a few more grainy YouTube edits before applying for a regrade to full master. |
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iiitick
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Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 12:13am |
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JimC
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Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 6:27am |
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My dislike of masthead floats dates back to floating in the solent watching a boat hurtle away downwind, even flipping itself upright to disappear even faster. I remain very grateful to the good folk of GAFIRS (http://GAFIRS.org.UK).
They have their place of course. When doing initial capsize recovery training I use one, and if sailing on a lake shallow enough to stand up in I'd also use one. If sailing with close safety cover eg training situations they also make sense, because the consequences of being separated from the boat are small, and those from entrapment great. In open water sailing and with less comprehensive rescue cover however being separated from the boat seems to me much more likely and higher risk than entrapment. Compare likely survival times of sailor sitting on upturned boat and sailor in water. I've sailed any number of boats that drift downwind faster than I can swim when on their sides, and none that have done so when inverted. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 8:33am |
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I'm with Jim on this. For Junior training on our lake, masthead flots are a must. Mosts don't get stuck in the mud, kids can right the boats and get on with the training, safety cover isn't tied up with one turtled boat. Out at sea with no or stretched safety cover? Having the boat blow away could be fatal.
Weighing less than half a Laser, the Aero was always going to float high, wasn't it? And was always going to be tricky for a heavy person to climb into. So why the "surprise" people are showing now? And have I missed something with mythological nobility coming into the conversation? |
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jeffers
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Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 9:12am |
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I don't think it is surprise as such more that the RS marketing machine has listed it as a boat with no vices where clearly bigger, heavier sailors will either have problems or have to change technique to get back in. The issue seems to be more hull form stability related than the weight when trying to climb in. If/when I ever get in one I will chuck it in and give my thoughts. I am a similar height and build to the writer of the blog.
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Paul
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Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 9:28am |
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This is a nonsense. Its a lighter boat that may be different to get into than older heavier much slower comparable boats i.
Heavy blokes will almost always go in over the stern of open transom boats given half a chance as its a lot easier - Rs100, rs300, supernova, d-one - all dead easy over the stern. If you want to compare to a laser over the side, then for a 90kg plus bloke it is more tricky with an aero, but then of course over the stern in a Laser is very difficult! In comparison, for a heavy bloke, over the stern in an aero is much easier than over the side in a laser!! The point being its not a problem if you do it right and I have sailed boats that are a lot harder to get back into after a solo capsize. I love all this from people who for the most part haven't sailed it. So whats next, colour of the logo's perhaps....... No boat is perfect, but the aero is a step change in performance and feel from a laser within the same dimensions. And as for marketing bullsh*t, if someone posts examples of both good and bad capsize recovery technique on their association website I would call that useful tips and customer service, but hey maybe I am just old-fashioned.
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jeffers
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Posted: 20 Nov 14 at 9:54am |
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Sorry I do not classify this as an open transom:  The same with the RS100 transom, they are both low but not open (unlike the RS300, Vareo, Blaze, D-1). The D-Zero transom in not really properly open either IMO (for getting back in post capsize) because there is the traveller in the way.
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