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    Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 7:52pm
I don't get the enthusiasm for all this swimming about. Alright, I admit it, I'm slightly water phobic and not trained in the method as I've occasionally seen our RYA level whatever doing.

Swimming is tiring and water is cold.

If I miss the dry capsize I'm clambering on top by whatever means. When had a Laser it would most often invert. The RS300 if I was quick I could run up the boom, foot on mast base body close to hull and over to plate. Big boat mostly one of us makes the board dry and helps the other one either onto the board as well or pulls up with mate in water hanging off windward shroud depending on which way she's lying. 

My point is why mess around in the water, get on top pronto  pull up, walk as she comes and swing over. 

Exception to this mindset is of course shallow water, especially if waves.

I do think as previously mentioned that lots of boats float too high on their sides but we've done that elsewhere.
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So there you have it….35 pages of relatively uninformed opinion and vested interest against a smattering of triers and buyers.

Conclusion?

RS Aero….built and marketed by the devil incarnate, designed to confuse, disappoint, and drown.

D Zero..on the other hand…designed by a Luvvie, built and marketed by the sailing equivalents of the Archangel Gabriel, and just the scent picked up from the hallowed correspondents of these pages mean it must undoubtedly be pure sailing heaven.

Go get a life keyboard warriors…your heartfelt opinions aren’t having the impact here that you hoped they might (apart from on each other). Venture yonder, gird your chosen steeds and promote your cause with action and pureness of heart. And someday, the Grail might be yours. Good Knights, its time to sheath those Excaliburs that are your keyboards. Go forth and multiply!
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I was also thinking that the Aero : DZero debate has gotten pretty tribal. But then again that seems to be the way quite often on forums.
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Those capsize vids (and others) with full narrative explanations and tips are all posted on the Class Forum here 
and on the RS Aero Class Facebook Group here .

These are year 2014 boats with feather weight carbon rigs and super light epoxy/carbon hulls. 
Some old rules don't apply and some are varied! 
We are re-writing the conventional playbook here which is very exciting!


Edited by Peter Barton - 19 Nov 14 at 10:06pm
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Originally posted by Jeepers

So there you have it….35 pages of relatively uninformed opinion and vested interest against a smattering of triers and buyers.

Conclusion?

RS Aero….built and marketed by the devil incarnate, designed to confuse, disappoint, and drown.

D Zero..on the other hand…designed by a Luvvie, built and marketed by the sailing equivalents of the Archangel Gabriel, and just the scent picked up from the hallowed correspondents of these pages mean it must undoubtedly be pure sailing heaven.

Go get a life keyboard warriors…your heartfelt opinions aren’t having the impact here that you hoped they might (apart from on each other). Venture yonder, gird your chosen steeds and promote your cause with action and pureness of heart. And someday, the Grail might be yours. Good Knights, its time to sheath those Excaliburs that are your keyboards. Go forth and multiply!


Language like that makes me think you do tread the boards and are a full blown luvvie!  LOL

But you've the wrong end of the stick.  My comments are from bitter experience of being chucked in by dynamically unstable  but exciting boats.  It's part of the thrill.  The frizzon of excitement of getting a boat downwind in a blow without it throwing you in the p!ss.    But and this is a big but.... when the boat does chuck me in, I want to know it will STOP dead without leaving me with an Olympic swim to get back to the boat.   Seeing the vids and reading that first hand blog, I have to  raise a question mark over the Aero. 

I hope I'm wrong because I think the Aero and Zero are two great new designs that may just encourage people into and back into dinghy sailing and racing.

By the way, I've not any idea how a Zero behaves either, nor have I sailed either boat.   So yes, I'm a key board warrior making an observation.
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The reason that boat blew away is because it has a masthead float. Think my opinion on the things has been made often enough.
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I may be keyboard thinghy these days but that does appear to float very high, even more so than my phantom which can be a nightmare in windy conditions to get back upright. If you ain't fit enough, or light enough to pull yourself up to reach the board you will struggle. I can see that happening for a few people. I think though that the general ease of sailing it will outweight that for the majority but I suspect some who think it will be an easy boat for them may be surprised once its over.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

If you ain't fit enough, or light enough to pull yourself up to reach the board you will struggle.


Yep, it's a fight to get on the board in conventional 'heavy' dinghies because that's what you need to do to get them upright.  Very light boats, like the Aero, only need the person in the water to reach up to the board and apply a bit of weight to it.     In fact, it's probably impossible for Joe Average to get up on to the board before the boat rights it's self.

So, there is no need to get your body on the board.    The RS300 is almost in this category.  

The issue is then getting back on board.   If you are heavy, you will simple capsize the boat to windward trying to get in over the side.   Most of us don't windsurf and expect to do water starts, so, just clamber in.

This could be due to the Aero being narrow.   The RS300 has wide buoyant "wings" which does prevent this happening and gives you a "few moments" to scramble on board.

Once the boat is again capsized by trying to board from the side, it is now probably capsized to windward and this means swimming around to the board and then righting it with the wind on the "wrong side", which then immediately flips it over again.   Eskimo rolls needed !

Peter Barton is right' the rule books need a bit of a re-write.  
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I'm with King Arthur here

From the quoted text...I think the only thing that saved me was that the masthead float...

Just perhaps...somebody that needs a masthead float...well maybe not the most competent sailor to quote from. The kids in the vid seemed to do ok. Hey, this sport is a challenge! Or we can make it all nice and comfy. Bowls anyone?
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"The reason that boat blew away is because it has a masthead float"

Sir Lancelot has spoken!
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