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    Posted: 03 Mar 10 at 2:09pm
i dont think this will work that well it be ok at open
meeting as the ood with have read the si and know something
about the boat

but at club level you get volentears that are the ood that
can be from any other class and there not nesseraly going
to know anything about rs100 there simperly look at the
sail sine that will say rs100 and the number 104 ect and
thats all that will be write down and they will know
nothing about a "swooch" or the importance of the colour of
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Most OODs have got the hang of the blue corner on a radial sail, haven't they? Or have they?!
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may be but you are looking at a class that has been around
yours not a new class and with the laser the shape of the
sail is compleaty different to

and most of the clubs that i have sailed if there club racing is divided into fleets all the lasers sail togever
and there is no handy cap involved first accrose the line
wins what ever rig your in which i think works really well

but to be honist this is isont going to effect me to much
at just over 100kg there not going to be to meany days
where im not going to be in the 10.2
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Originally posted by asterix

yes, I think agree with that - its how things are done at my club.  It should be that people honestly declare which rig they sail with when signing on.



I do this too with the vortex, particularly when I started racing it last year and didn't have much confidence in flying the kite in any kind of wind. I am able to sign on with and without spinnaker and use either 937 or 960 depending on which I sign on as that race. They run 2 sets of results for me during the year and it relies on honesty and sportsmanship to make it work? It says which handicap I am using next to each of the 2 entires in the series. That way they have my sail number and boat recorded and the signing on sheets tells them which handicap I am?

I think it went wrong twice. On the initial night when I first used the kite and the results got entered as non-kite. Mid season when someone accidentaly aggregated the 2 results. Easily sorted in sailwave though (thanks to club secretary being dead handy at sailwave)


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In terms of finishing the race there should never be two sails with the same number anyway so the colour of the number is irrelvant, perhaps all the numbers could be preceeded by a letter such as A or B or by a number a bit like the car numberplates are now with 09/59 both being the same year.

If not then the numbers can easily be worked out using a scoring program which would know which numbers were associated to which rig.

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Originally posted by Nick Peters

The 2 sails are called "10.2" and "8.4". apart from looking diffent sizes, the 10.2 has a black "swoosh" near the clew and black sail numbers, and the 8.4 has a white swoosh and (we were considering) white sail numbers.

Then your race officer, finishing the first open with 10.2's and 8.4,s on the same course could say into his dictaphone: "white 104, black 107, etc". Easy for any race officer. would go in class rules etc.

what do we think?

Nick; I think the people who look after the results & the boat db's in club software will struggle with that.

We have a whole host of problems with Lasers/Radials & people switching rigs.

Perhaps you could build a subscript into the class logo; I think just having different sail number colours is OK for RS circuit events where people know the difference but for average club race officers it is a finer point that will be missed.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote womble12345 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 10 at 6:47pm

A few years ago there was a spate of Mirrors using white sail numbers, it got banned as race officers could not see the numbers when the sail was backlit, if you are going for white numbers make sure they are visible.

In my club handicap series it is the helm that matters, results I get in any boat all get counted together so in theory I can choose a Phantom in light winds and a Radial in high winds. This doesnt lead to the arms race that you may expect as not everyone has the luxury of multiple boats. I had assumed others clubs were similar, it seems I was wrong!

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We are exactly like that, Womble. It used to be you could only sail one boat, but we had few enough people qualifying as it was.
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It shouldn't actually make any difference to OOD's at club level as they
only need record a sail number and a time. The handicap adjustment is
then applied later when the results are calculated and the onus is then on
the sailor to make sure he signs on with the right PY entered.

Would be sensible to make sure that whoever works out the results
knows that there are two PY's for the RS100 (so they dont apply a blanket
PY to cover both fleets).

Where the different colour numbers will be useful is on the water with
other RS100's and you will know if you need to be ahead of them or not -
although the rigs actually look quite different and if the fleets get that
big it will be amazing anyway !

I am presuming that the sail number applies to the HULL and there wont
be 10.4's and 8.2s with the same sail number on different boats ? How
does this work in the Laser / Radial fleet ?

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At my club we have just introduced a new rule. Helms of boats with more than one PY (e.g more than one rig) have to declare what there fastest configuration will be for that season and then sail using that PY even if they put the smaller rig on for stronger wind conditions. The thinking behind it was that people fit a smaller rig because on the day, they think that will give them the best result. To also give them a PY bonus seemed unfair. Equally, if someone chooses to sail with the smaller rig all season, they get the PY to go with it. This was the fairest systerm we could come up with so we will see how it goes.
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