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    Posted: 16 May 22 at 7:48am
Well there was a black lady at our sailing club helping her children sort their dinghies out, that now means according to our Norfolk Statistics we are about right in Racial membership . As Norfolk is 96.5% white, 1.5% Asian, and 0.5% Black..
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Originally posted by eric_c

Maybe people should stop trying to rewind pond sailing in the Midlands to last century and look at what sorts of sailing are doing OK elsewhere in the World.

Why? Racing in this country isn't particularly broken. Add to that the thought that we are on the cusp of needing club and local circuit racing more than ever and we actually have a really good infrastructure if people are sensible and clubs work together.

The biggest threat to the sport that I see at my club is that we are slowly being forced to morph into something that none of the members actually want under the guise of enabling the club to survive - I see such "survival" as in name only.
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Originally posted by 423zero

I am enjoying the lesson Sussex lad, Twitter and other social media doesn't support either your opinion or the BBC, multiple millions of supporters of the Royal family, all over the world, not just UK or Commonwealth.
Let's hope UK and Commonwealth doesn't do a Yugoslavia when the Queen dies, don't think Prince Charles is going to cut it.

The commonwealth has nothing to do with the royal family these days , it’s just a political and trading block nothing more . To believe anything different just means your living in 1953. Which is were most Brexiteers seem to be sending us. Ouch
Excessive love of the royal family , the Union Jack and nationalism are setting this country back decades  Ouch Ouch
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Originally posted by davidyacht

The problem is probably how far you follow a positive discrimination model to encourage people to do something that they really don’t end up wanting to do.

Or have no interest in doing beyond a once a year trip round the lake on club open day
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Originally posted by 423zero

Get a couple of big blokes, like Max and Paddy, drag people in.
No, we are doomed to shrink, its all over.


I don't think being 'doomed to shrink' is all that bad.

It isn't 1978 any more, Daily Mirror readers are not excited by the idea of spending a fortnight's wages on a plywood DIY project and learning to sail it around their local gravel pit before taking it on their family week camping holiday in Wales or Cornwall.
Sailing is now a niche thing for a section of the public that's interested. The days when big numbers were keen are over, now it's about providing good quality sailing for those who want it, not trying to market it to people who've got plenty else to do. Like vinyl records, the market is now different, smaller, irrelevant to the majority, but still there if you've got a quality offering.
The worst way forwards would be to offer a dumbed down product or service which pleases nobody.
  The other thing is, sailing does actually extend beyond the UK. It does also extend beyond dinghies. Maybe people should stop trying to rewind pond sailing in the Midlands to last century and look at what sorts of sailing are doing OK elsewhere in the World.
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I am enjoying the lesson Sussex lad, Twitter and other social media doesn't support either your opinion or the BBC, multiple millions of supporters of the Royal family, all over the world, not just UK or Commonwealth.
Let's hope UK and Commonwealth doesn't do a Yugoslavia when the Queen dies, don't think Prince Charles is going to cut it.
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As a one time political 'republican'  myself  I've amended my own take on this one with time and age..... Forgetting the purist theory for a moment I now think the institution is on balance worth maintaining.  The alternative, an 'elected president' or just 'president' if you prefer as head of state has a very mixed record in so many countries.  No I'm not going to suggest examples here !  (surely you can consider a few for yourselves ...)  A slimline and modernised monarchy, even then, is not a great solution of course.  None are possibly ever going to be ideal given history and yes the 'present', but our current model is still maybe just a tad better than all the other alternatives on offer.      But we are in danger of wandering way off legitimate or mainstream sailing forum subject matter now surely ....  Wink



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Originally posted by eric_c

Originally posted by Sussex Lad

No one is asking you to abandon your beliefs I was asking you to understand an alternative perspective.

Can you understand?

I think relating any problems in some RYA clubs to a media tour by some royal cling-ons  is quite tenuous.


Not so tenuous.

I raised my points based on the fact that another club has folded. Perhaps there are too many clubs now to support a reduced number of participants? I was thinking how could sailing as a sport slow down this decline, perhaps by appealing to a wider proportion of the public? There have been threads on this forum over the years that have tried to fathom the lack of ethnic diversity in club memberships.

The "Tone Deaf Tour" of the Caribbean demonstrates that many African Caribbean folk are fed up with Royal Patronage, they don't want it. 

Here's a quote from a BBC article, this one not directly relating to the tour but it does demonstrate the changing sentiment felt by many African Caribbean's in the Caribbean and in this country.

>>"I think most Antiguans would want to replace the Queen now," Mr Ford continues. "Young people can't relate to the Royal Family; they don't understand their purpose. Even older people like me, I would love to see us become a republic. The head of state should be someone who is elected like in America."

The country's prime minister, Gaston Browne, alluded to long-term plans for such a move during a meeting with Prince Edward and Sophie on Monday - shortly before requesting the couple use their influence to facilitate "constructive talks" on reparatory justice for slavery.

Days earlier, the chair of the country's Reparations Support Commission, Dorbrene O'Marde, had issued an open letter to the Wessexes demanding compensation for enduring "injury, injustice and racism", adding that the royals continue to live in "splendour, pomp and wealth attained through the proceeds of the crimes".<<

I have pointed out why some sections of the British public may not be overly impressed with the image of sailing.

Next week I'll be banging on about Homophobia Wink Be warned.





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Originally posted by Sussex Lad

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How would a Black person who's ancestors were abused as slaves by White aristocracy feel when confronted with the current image of UK sailing. Bearing in mind sailings close association with British Royalty and SC's preservation of titles used by the tools of the slave trade.
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Defining people by their ancestry is pretty much the essence of racism.

Sailing does not have a particularly close association with royalty.
Although I did once meet King Harald (of Norway).
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Get a couple of big blokes, like Max and Paddy, drag people in.
No, we are doomed to shrink, its all over.
Robert
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