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    Posted: 02 Nov 18 at 9:53am
EU have notified WS that they are investigating after the Italian legal opinions delivered a day or so ago (instigated by Luca Devoti).  

We also have this tiny update in the WS brief from the day...
"Discussions around Submission 037-18 and selecting either the Mixed One Person Dinghy Event or the Mixed Two Person Keelboat Offshore were held before a vote was held. Seven of the committee members were in favour with six against and two abstentions meaning the submission is recommended to World Sailing's Council for approval."


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So does that mean that anyone can now turn up and make a D-One and D-Zero?

This is pretty poor from Devoti, IMHO. Sailors of the world have spoken and many of them prefer SMODs. So too do many national authorities. Why should World Sailing be unable to reflect the desires of so many members in the biggest event?

It's interesting that the EU is getting so involved. It's only one group of nations. Wonder what right they have to effectively veto a sporting body that is largely made up of nations from outside the EU?


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Originally posted by Chris 249

So does that mean that anyone can now turn up and make a D-One and D-Zero?
 

Other builders would have to be licenced by World Sailing!
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Chris - although I'm pretty ambivalent about SMODs (though as a Finn sailor I appreciate being able to tailor my rig/spar/foil choices to my size and weight), the point is that yes - many people chose to sail SMODs. Olympic sailors don't so are therefore 'forced' to buy from a monopolised market, which *may* be illegal under European law.

This issue is amplified when you look away from the Laser and more towards the 49er and FX (duopoly) and Nacra, where the classes are virtually non-existent outside of Olympic campaigns, with most of those boats being discarded campaign craft originally. These classes have a business model of selling (almost) exclusively to campaigners in a captive and monopolistic market.

As I said, I'm not desperately excited either way on the argument, but I find Kim Anderson's response earlier this week in the interview with Richard Gladwell comical, saying that (paraphrasing) '22 of the 23 Finns at Rio were Devoti, so that's *like* a monopoly'.

Doesn't inspire faith in our governing body....
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Is licensing enough to escape the same sort of allegation?

If World Sailing can't decide what rules they play by, why should the D-One Association?  Isn't there just a continuum of width of allowable equipment choices from (say) Laser all the way to the most open of classes? Why is the particular spot on the line where the D-One sits seen to be OK by Devoti, but not the other points on the line?
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Originally posted by rodney

Originally posted by Chris 249

So does that mean that anyone can now turn up and make a D-One and D-Zero?
 

Other builders would have to be licenced by World Sailing!

Is that true?

I thought it was a typical SMOD where the hull need to built to builder specification by anyone licensed by the LIC (Licence holder and Devoti?)... so just the same as 9ers and RS and not too dissimilar to Laser? 

I don't see where they need to WS to licence a builder. 
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

Chris - although I'm pretty ambivalent about SMODs (though as a Finn sailor I appreciate being able to tailor my rig/spar/foil choices to my size and weight), the point is that yes - many people chose to sail SMODs. Olympic sailors don't so are therefore 'forced' to buy from a monopolised market, which *may* be illegal under European law.

This issue is amplified when you look away from the Laser and more towards the 49er and FX (duopoly) and Nacra, where the classes are virtually non-existent outside of Olympic campaigns, with most of those boats being discarded campaign craft originally. These classes have a business model of selling (almost) exclusively to campaigners in a captive and monopolistic market.

As I said, I'm not desperately excited either way on the argument, but I find Kim Anderson's response earlier this week in the interview with Richard Gladwell comical, saying that (paraphrasing) '22 of the 23 Finns at Rio were Devoti, so that's *like* a monopoly'.

Doesn't inspire faith in our governing body....

Yes, I get your point, especially when so many Olympic classes are SMODs. But on the other hand, when so many SMODs are sold, surely some should be allowed in the Games, because that means the Games reflect the type of wider sport.  If no SMOD was allowed in the Games then they would not be representative of the sport.

I think you're right about Anderson, who I find to be an extremely disappointing WS head.

I appreciate the importance of small suppliers; it's a complex subject. One thing I do note is that when I did an analysis of class marketing from the '70s dinghy boom it was apparent that the small suppliers spent a lot more on marketing the "normal" one designs. Y&Y's boat show issue was full of big ads for "normal" one designs, paid for by the sailmakers, builders and sparmakers who were involved in those classes. That support meant that the "normal" ODs and development classes often seem to have had the same marketing budget as the SMODs. Perhaps the current dominance of SMODs is because the small suppliers no longer seem to support other classes in the same way?
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