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    Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 4:52pm
The prices I have.

Were, and I say were as the interest in the class from the UK is NOT unnoticed by C-Tec.

$1450 mast
$475 boom

Current currency rate = £998
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Seems to be a lot of interest in this, so really hope there's one at the dinghy show.

 ... sure there isn't an actual builder who'd like to take it on?

Hartleys?  Vandercraft?  

If twere available off the shelf, made of foam / carbon or epoxy and came with a well sorted kite system (and I weighed 70 rather than 80kg) I'd be interested myself.

However, talk and sales don't always match up.  If there were really a market for a light and simple trapeze single hander, we might have sorted a unarig or selftacker for the V3000 by now, and sold a few more of them.
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If it were with Hartleys or vandercraft it wouldn't do much service to the class, personally I would like to see a small builder specializing in wood build, Hartley's seem a bit to cruiser-y for the boat.. 

And Nick A- if you can build easily to the minimum weight in wood (50kg) and the longevity and stiffness are the same- why fork out for the extra time effort and money for carbon? 

If there was a decision to build off the shelfs in carbon then personally I would like to approach Aardvark or a similar firm. 


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Ok the exchange rate has changed since I costed things

$2000 NZ = £1036

Thought the price quote I got is in US $.  That is the difference!

Looks like setting up US Farr 3.7 Class Association is the only way to get discount.  Cry
Wonder why there is no such CA.  

I am just about 200 miles away from Bruce Farr's Annapolis office.
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Originally posted by Jimus

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Ok the exchange rate has changed since I costed things

$2000 NZ = £1036

Thought the price quote I got is in US $.  That is the difference!
Yep NZ Dollars to UK pounds


Originally posted by Jimus

Looks like setting up US Farr 3.7 Class Association is the only way to get discount.  Cry
Wonder why there is no such CA.  

I am just about 200 miles away from Bruce Farr's Annapolis office.

Possibly because there are no other Farr's in the US, or not a significant number? And there is no UK class association either, C-tech have just noticed a significant amount of interest. I don't think there is even a discount? 
 


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Originally posted by Hughph

if you can build easily to the minimum weight in wood (50kg)

There has to be a bit of an if about that. I think it could involve very careful timber selection and so on. The 110lb limit for Cherubs (same size, same dimensions etc) was always a bit aspirational with wood, and few boats actually got to carry much in the way of correctors. Someone who's built wood Moths or Cherubs (Claridge, Bloodaxe, not sure there are many more left) would manage easily enough, but a builder who's only done Solos and GP14s say would need to pay a lot of attention to Farr's plans and details and maybe a bit less to their past experience. Things like picking the lightest plywood, not the prettiest...
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Most of the homebuilds in NZ seem to manage it easily enough? And many of them have to have a substantial amount of correctors added. 

I may be wrong, and I know you have alot of experience with this sort of thing, but that was just what I picked up. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 7:59pm
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Originally posted by Hughph

if you can build easily to the minimum weight in wood (50kg)

There has to be a bit of an if about that. I think it could involve very careful timber selection and so on. The 110lb limit for Cherubs (same size, same dimensions etc) was always a bit aspirational with wood, and few boats actually got to carry much in the way of correctors. Someone who's built wood Moths or Cherubs (Claridge, Bloodaxe, not sure there are many more left) would manage easily enough, but a builder who's only done Solos and GP14s say would need to pay a lot of attention to Farr's plans and details and maybe a bit less to their past experience. Things like picking the lightest plywood, not the prettiest...


Yes but... The Farr has significantly less freeboard than those Cherubs.
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Wil we see the Farr out this Sunday?
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A couple of observations.

sailing tends to be a summer only sport in Aus/NZ with boats frequently kept indoors. The warmer climate (ok maybe not South island of NZ) means boats were often constructed with lighter weight materials. 10 years ago everything was polyester construction. this will help them stick correctors in their boats. If you build it so light and leave it in a moist dinghy park in the UK it might be different. It may have changed a little now, however.

I have imported masts from NZ. Don't forget the freight cost and the import tariff duties. They can change, but I would allow 20% on cost just for the duty. And when buying the freight work out who is insuring the product whilst in transit. Note that we bought 5 masts so we actually really only paid for the freight and the insurance once.

Overall, your costings are optimistic but don't let that stop you having a go, just beware.
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