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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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I doubt it, because I cannot imagine a club refusing to introduce handicap races if numbers in class starts became unsustainable. |
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Forums are so last century? Some are but not all. This is a racing forums? 10 years ago or more it wasn't exclusively a racing forum. Just as most clubs aren't exclusively about racing. Clubs are about many things: something to do, power boating (Ribs), socialising, course laying, boat bimbling, casual racing.........Granted, it has now become a monohull, elitist dinghy racing forum. It has become exclusive rather than inclusive. Quite a few clubs (judging by posts on here) enjoy a good throughput of 1&2 adults. If a club can teach a hundred adults over a ten year period, not unreasonable, then potentially thats those folk plus kids, friends and spouses as members.....in reality it doesn't happen why? How many stay beyond 3 or 4 years? some do but not many. How about we paint the walls a different shade of magnolia? No? ah well the status quo will do. I think the Commercial clubs will win eventually it just a question of how long......shame shame shame |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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So I think comfortable level is key to this…. Over the years I have internally reinforced the received wisdom bias that class racing (actually coach supported race training in boats of one class is best) that class racing is the best way to learn from strategy, through tactics to manoeuvres and sail trim. PY racing is one way not to be confronted with the reality of performance and what is required to improve (see various posts about lack of appetite for (supported) Learning. For many it therefore hits a sweet spot of activity which doesn’t challenge self-image. On the other hand I personally enjoy PY because the focus can absolutely be on boat speed and pure, rather than boat on boat tactics. It has its place in self-improvement. But in that I am preparing for what I really crave: the pressure of class racing. Edited by sargesail - 25 May 22 at 11:59am |
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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This is the 'developement' forum hosted by what used to be a UK dead-tree magazine with a readership of UK dinghy racers and yacht racers. There are other forums born out of other magazines, with different readerships. There may even still be an RYA forum. The YBW forum used to be quite lively, and about 95% non-racing, although biased towards yachts rather than dinghies. That isn't what it was 15 years ago either.The motorcycle world equally seems to have mostly moved away from forums towards specialist groups on Facebook. There are a few exceptions, the PistonHeads forum can offer some lively and diverse discussion on boating matters. This place is not representative of UK dinghy sailing as a whole. Was it ever intended to be?
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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We could bat this one backwards and forwards ad nauseum Eric. I know what used to get discussed on here and by whom, it was more diverse in those two respects by a country mile and if you were here you know it.
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DiscoBall ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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Clubs, classes and Internet forums are probably birds of a feather. They all act as engines for group polarisation, often leading activity/discussion in ever more specialised directions.
All activities (especially complex equipment based sports) probably have a finite life cycle - the keenest people end up running things and can't conceive that other people aren't as obsessed or struggle to catch up to the present state of the art. Easier to damn outsiders as lazy than consider trying to limit development or backtrack. So either the sport disappears or some disruptive development moves things back to the centre ground. Of course anything that democratise and popularise a sport will be sniffed at by many who are at the elite end... I wonder if many clinker boat owners of the 1950-60s were disparaging about the boxy plywood boats of the dinghy boom? |
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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For sure ages ago there used to be enough people on here you could get some conversation on a wider range of topics, including actual development of boats. But as far as I recall, it's always had a bit of negativity towards Squad sailors, Lasers, and maybe a few other classes. But Laser and 'development' are polar opposites....
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3419 |
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There were a lot more women and young people at the start, they probably weren't driven away, they have probably migrated to social media.
I know a few people who just read this forum and the news section, just because there is only about fifty regular posters doesn't make it irrelevant, people are influenced, look at the skill set we have. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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I'm not sure how to address this... I'm interested in dinghy racing not cruising/pottering (well a bit but what is there to discuss about blasting up and down?). I suspect cruisers and potterers are not joiners in the main, they don't need a club to support their activity so many don't join one. Same with the forums, if just going and sailing around the local beach or coastline is your thing what might you need to discuss on a forum like this?
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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A bit of both I reckon. I can certainly remember some "banter" that proved to be the final straw for some. |
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