X1 Dinghy

   Well if your water is so small that the boat would be slower using the kite.......don't use the kite and go faster!  Our lake is pretty small and it is sometimes marginal whether to bother with the Spinnaker on a GP, better off to goosewing the genoa on short legs.

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tickler Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 03 Jun 07 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 895	Post Options Post Reply Quote tickler Report Post Quote Reply Topic: X1 Dinghy Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 10:10am
	Well if your water is so small that the boat would be slower using the kite.......don't use the kite and go faster! Our lake is pretty small and it is sometimes marginal whether to bother with the Spinnaker on a GP, better off to goosewing the genoa on short legs.

rogerd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076	Post Options Post Reply Quote rogerd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 10:18am
	I think this is a great step forward. I sail on a small puddle with tall trees all around and yes normally it is not much good using a kite. I sail a geep and dont use the kite but can easily keep up with the Ents and albacores on handicap. We do have some people with larks and merlins who do persevere with the kite which pays sometimes but it does make their kite work very slick for when the go somewhere else. Having watched the vid of the three rivers race I think it would go well on most inland waters. Good luck to you. ps I sail at Shearwater on the Longleat est at Warminster.

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 10:37am
	Are the centreboard and rudder fairly short to allow for shallow water?
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ChrisI Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 09 Aug 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 143	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChrisI Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 11:14am
	Thanks again for all your comments. Re the spi - we are pretty convinced it is the right thing, but completely understand and will have to wait until it's sailed more widely. However, even not using the spi the sail area is very large, and the weight low, and these alone should at least enable larger crews to keep going on smaller lakes, albeit suffer on handicap. Re the red line - agreed - the production version will almost certainly not have one. One other small difference - Phil M has smoothed out the bow profile on the CNC plug/mould. Centreboard and rudder are not that short but are both lifting of course. Martin and I certainly found the mud in a few places on the 3RR, but generally later than most other (admittedly larger) boats there. Just one other thing - as I'm conscious of not wanting to mislead anyone here, given I know there have been a few misunderstandings in the past. For your info there's just one person on this project so far who has the commercial interest, which is me, but I've been lucky to have Martin's (x1testpilot) help in sailing it. He's a much better dinghy sailor than me and so has been helming all along - I've been crewing. He's helping me on the website, so I guess he also has a commercial interest in it. But that is everyone at the moment. It's probably a major error of mine not to have asked more people to sail it over this last year to get more views, but then the two of us would not have had such extensive experience with it, which has been useful. Hopefully we can correct that this year though.

rb_stretch Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742	Post Options Post Reply Quote rb_stretch Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 12:25pm
	Great concept that I would certainly be interested in. Almost any boat is a lot of fun to sail in a good breeze, so something that is specifically designed to make light winds fun has to be a winner in my book. Same kind of logic landed me in a Phantom for a single hander. Was also the logic in my last cruising boat which was a epoxy plywood lightweight flyer (for a cruiser).

fantasia Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 13 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 49	Post Options Post Reply Quote fantasia Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 2:05pm
	This boat really appeals to me, including the spinnaker. Similar size to my current boat (Wayfarer), but less than half the weight. I would be interested to know how it copes with the 15-20 knot sea breeze that we get at HISC. Perfect for evening harbour racing though.

alstorer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899	Post Options Post Reply Quote alstorer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 4:11pm
	sounds like it's been designed for taking more weight than the iCon though- I'm not so sure they're going for the same market- the same stretch of water, and there might be some overlap, yes.
	-_ Al

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 4:46pm
	It will be good to compare and contrast at the show - the concept behind the hulls is very different, but the aim (simple, fast, good inland) appears similar.
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 4:47pm
	The Icon's weight range is fairly broad - a lot of effort has gone into maximising the range. I guess a rough average would be 145kg (23 stone). I dint think the X1 and Icon are in the same market. Sure there will be some overlap but the X1 looks a good boat that is totally optimised for light winds and flat water (the Broads sound ideal) whilst the Icon is more of an all rounder that is equally at home on the sea and a F5.

andymck Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397	Post Options Post Reply Quote andymck Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 12 Feb 11 at 7:31pm
	The boat looks very impressive, especially on the broads video. Love the way it tacks, which I suspect it does better than the iCON, given the latter boats lack of rocker (personal feedback from someone who has sailed it, who knows I am interested) I have no issues with the kite being present, but do wonder why there is not a twin pole system. I stand to be corrected, but the twin poles were developed for inland boats, on restricted waters doing lots of gybing, and proved so useful that in most classes where they are allowed they have become the first choice. I noted a comment by the 505 guys who won the Tiger on this. I would certainly have a better chance of getting the better half interested if there were twin poles. I also see there is no thwart. This seemed to limit the crews ability to move across the boat in the video. There appeared to be only two comfortable positions for the crew in the light, so the helm seemed to have to stand a lot. I have never sailed an inland optimised boat without one, and the ones I know about, the crews have pestered the helms to have one retrofitted, especially for inland sailing. Andy
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