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    Posted: 16 Dec 10 at 11:59am
Originally posted by JimC

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I'd be surprised to see a competitive laser at title level more than 3 or 4 years old.


Older Lasers...150374 was 2nd in the Apprentice masters at this year's Laser Worlds. 164667 was 7th in the masters, 153731 was 4th in the Grand masters. That was just the first world series results that came up on Google. Beware of what everyone knows: it ain't necessarily so!


Mmm ... I would be very surprised if these boats were regularly sailied though, more 'thats a fast one I'll keep it in my garage' As we all know water ingress in poleyester is alot higher than epoxy/vinylester so these older boats, if sailed regularly,would definately put on weight and loose stiffness.
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I highly doubt that those boats were sailed any less than the new ones, in fact im sure they werent! I bet there were a lot of less than a year old boats at the event and unless they had been sailed every day they would be sailed less than the older boats....

At the masters events you get a lot of very very good sailors who have just been sailing their boats regularly for so long that i dont think they care if its a kg heavier than the guy next to them on the start line! Stick any of the top masters in the most clapped out old laser you could find in the dinghy pound at your club and give them a race in a nice new shiny one fresh from the factory and I think they would still give any good club sailor a thrashing, and probably a lot of the top youth sailors too! Oh and before you think i'm somehow biased here, I was one of those youths last year!
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Originally posted by Inland sea

Mmm ... I would be very surprised if these boats were regularly sailied though, more 'thats a fast one I'll keep it in my garage'

You don't work at UEA do you? That's a nice bit of massaging the evidence to fit the desired results...

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^ LOL ^

Fair point about exceptional sailors though! I have known certain people jump into a tricky class for the first time and do exceptionally well.

Jim you are confusing me sir ... in one breath you are saying SMOD's are not cheap to race as you have to replace sails and hulls to keep quick and now ^^^ ? confused?

I guess your argument is coming from a defense of development classes?
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When I resurrected the cheap l2k I was amazed at how simple it was to rerig - cunningham and kicker back to the helm, outhaul on the boom, very simple pole and kite system.  When it comes to the refitting of any of my other boats - all development class double handers - I am faced with a plethora of choices as to not just what goes where, but what sort of system I use, what fittings I choose etc.

If I was a beginner buying a boat, or even someone on a budget wanting a raceboat that's quick to prepare and easy to maintain, the smod has to be the choice.  That makes me wonder (and I'm not necessarily subscribing to this view) if there isn't quite so much brain work involved in smod sailing, and if that is why, when someone who has learned their art in a development class and had to think things through, jumps into a smod, they will nearly always do well.
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I try not to spin what I have to say , but attempt to work out what matches up with the facts. Doubtless I fail, but the main thing I think I'll try and point out is that the effect of boat speed is ridiculously exaggerated, and that's just as true of Lasers as of International Canoes... As I've often said I've never understood how you tell a fast sailor with a slow boat from a slow sailor with a fast boat, and the likes of Ainslie and Scheidt in their day, for instance, demonstrated that the difference between a gold medal winning class Laser sailor and a mere Olympic class sailor can be pretty damn dramatic, even though if I were racing against them they'd be so far over the horizon that the difference between one and me and the other and me would be purely academic.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote tickler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 10 at 10:29pm
Smods? Lightning 368 no 104, 30 years old? 3 nationals wins in 5 years. Byte C2 no 406 (now burnt) won nationals at 19 years old. Any advance on this?
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50 year old Firefly won the Nationals.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rockhopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 8:19am
Smods well the vareo that won last years nationals was one of the first batch sail number 162 which talking about smods has epoxi foils and a longer pole which all the newer boats have not got.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tickler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 10 at 8:44am
Originally posted by Rupert

50 year old Firefly won the Nationals.


To save me looking it up, was that you Rupert and did the same boat win CVRDA?

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