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Poll Question: How many is too many?
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    Posted: 09 Sep 10 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

  I knew that I would need to finish every race (Mr Perkins's advice from the MPS nationals in '07- James finish every race, even if you are last in every one, you will not be last overall..)  

That's entirely the point James, that's good solid old school advice, from long before Mr Perkins .

Finish every race, nationals or national series you never know what fates will befall other competitors. When i threw in the towel, i was laying 27th.
Had the damn boat not had equipment issues, I was improving every race.

But getting timed out on a ten minute timeout when the spinnaker aint functioning, your wasting your time. If I was 'johnny know nothing' never known any different punter, i'd kiss the whole sorry bollox good bye.

It is all wrong if you're trying to build a class.

You have to do things according to the way the paying competitors want, or end up like the Vareos with 16 entrants..

It's a different world now, I've just been out with another ex regatta veteran, bemoaning the lot of sailing since it became all big money Olympic gold at the end of the rainbow..

It's supposed to be, fun, folks leisure pastime, and social.

Not a fecking Olympic trial.


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the poll result does mean 4 B2B is too many right?
 
what do you 100ers think about whether the 100 should be added into the RS Sprints type event?
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I am with COntender451.  The Silver fleet finishes were agod send to us back of the fleeters.  It meant the rest of the fleet didn't have to wait for another 40mins while we dribbled round!!  It kept everything clean and quick.  Although the races were long enough!  The gate starts were awesome, as it meant you had none of that black flag crap! 
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Like I said - my experience of sailing it, not organising it.
 
It could well be that the silver finish starts on lap 2 (actually makes more sense that way)
We got binned twice - once was a mercy killing (2.5 hr race and we were spent) the other was thanks to a blond moment on lap 2 (missed the wing mark on the triangle)
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Originally posted by JimC

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Personally I'd prefer shorter laps and a Grand Prix finish, maybe even reserving the right to put S up for stragglers before the leader finishes.


We had that this year, worked very well. Not sure there was much hanging about at all and this was with boats ranging from 1970's vintage to 05 rules... so a handicap range of about 200+ points!
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Originally posted by Contender 541


Those that were finished on lap 1 are listed in order from last to finish to first to be finished from the bottom of the results sheet

Those that are finished on Lap 2 are listed in the same order begining one place ahead of the first boat to be finished on lap 1

Ye gods, that's a bit brutal! I can see the advantages in that it means that you can have a long lap and still a quick finish, but the tailenders, who arguably need the practise most, might not get an awful lot of actual racing in their weeks sailing. If the winner gets a 90 minute race the bottom of the fleet might get as little as 40 minutes.

Personally I'd prefer shorter laps and a Grand Prix finish, maybe even reserving the right to put S up for stragglers before the leader finishes.
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Re. Silver Finish:
 
Sounds a bit harsh to stop people after one lap. After all, as you say, a fast boat which capsized or had some other misfortune wouldn't have much chance to recover. Also, it must then be a long wait with sails flapping/wearing out before the re-start. I'd have thought it sufficient to start the procedure at the beginning of the last lap.
 
Good idea in principle though.


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Originally posted by blueboy

Maybe inland that's more of an issue.


QM will probably take a dim view of such activities.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Okay - I have just pressed the reply button (opposed to the quote button) to see what happens.  Reply to Medway Maniac
 
Silver Finish - this is based on my experience of sailing it (not actually organising it)
  1. Fleet starts
  2. Fleet does a lap - at our nationals this was STS with each line crossing being a lap (do STS you have done 3 laps) and each lap was between 25 and 35 mins dependant on wind
  3. Lead boat crosses the line to start a lap 2 - start the stop watch
  4. After an agreed time (I think it was 10 mins) finish all remaining boats in order (Use a rib with a flag - V in our case - to tell boats that they are being finished
  5. Remaining fleet does lap 2
  6. Lead boat crosses the line to start lap 3 - Start the stop watch
  7. You get the idea

Those that were finished on lap 1 are listed in order from last to finish to first to be finished from the bottom of the results sheet

Those that are finished on Lap 2 are listed in the same order begining one place ahead of the first boat to be finished on lap 1
 
Assuming a 3 lap race (30 mins per lap, 1.5 hour race) everyone else is finished at the end of the next lap in the usual style
 
 
Advantage - if you are doing a long distance race (our 'race of the year' is now a moderate 2.5 hours - I am told it used to be 4!!) the silver finish can be a mercy killing - I know we were glad to get an early finish in the one race
 
Disadvantage - if you are a much faster boat and you end up dropping it in or have a blonde moment (We had to go back for the wing mark when we had gybed early thinking we were doing a windward leward course) then you are too far behind to catch up the 10 minutes before you are binned.  We did not have an opportunity to regain 6 or 7 places that we would have got by the end of next lap..........Honest Wink
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It is a sport after all so some level of physical stamina needs to be tested......I personally would like one race and then a rest/fag/leak/beer break, unfortunately though I'm an old fart with bad habbits and in the persuance of my sport should be penalised accordingly.........So some could argue that it shouldn't be too physically easy/comfortable.
 
 
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