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    Posted: 05 May 10 at 12:47pm
A single manned rib can do a lot as long as it is small enough to reach boats and people without leaving a reasonable driving position, it's gets more difficult otherwise.

I spent 2 summers with Sunsail where they single man all their ribs and never had an issue with any situation I had to deal with being alone be it hobie cats, sport 16s or RS800s. 2 people would have made it easier but I would take 4 ribs single manned over 2 ribs double manned; the coverage the extra boats provides response time will be much improved and if 2 people are needed to sort something out the driver can quickly get on the radio. It's perfectly possible to right capsized cats and inverted boats by yourself.

I would support more boats single manned than fewer boats double manned. For the same amount of boats teh question of double and single manned is a no brainer.

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In Lancing, not only we have 2 persons on the support boat, but our club rules specify that the second boat should be ready for action on the beach whenever we race. There have been some instances a few years ago when racing was postponed / cancelled because the second boat wasn't operational.

The crew for the second boat isn't part of a duty rota but we only launch the boat when the weather gets a bit hairy. Sailors who have retired (or chickened out) are always happy to help.

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Originally posted by narc

A single manned rib can do a lot as long as it is small enough to reach boats and people without leaving a reasonable driving position, it's gets more difficult otherwise.

I spent 2 summers with Sunsail where they single man all their ribs and never had an issue with any situation I had to deal with being alone be it hobie cats, sport 16s or RS800s. 2 people would have made it easier but I would take 4 ribs single manned over 2 ribs double manned; the coverage the extra boats provides response time will be much improved and if 2 people are needed to sort something out the driver can quickly get on the radio. It's perfectly possible to right capsized cats and inverted boats by yourself.

I would support more boats single manned than fewer boats double manned. For the same amount of boats teh question of double and single manned is a no brainer.

if you only have one person on the rib how would you deal with a situation where someone is trapped under an inverted dinghy?

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You jump outta the rib onto the centreboad and right the
boat, if you think you have time grab a painter or chuck an anchor over the side as you go but in an inversion where a
life is possibly at risk the only thing that matters is
getting onto the centreboard and righting the boat.
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I agree - you need to move fast.  Having only one in the rib then leaves you in a real mess, but hopfully at last everyone survives

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Post Options Post Options   Quote narc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 10 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by asterix

P]if you only have one person on the rib how would you deal with a situation where someone is trapped under an inverted dinghy?



More boats with single person = quicker response time than half the boats with 2 people so even in an entrapment scenario this is preferable imo given someone doesn't have too long under the water before downing. Two people in a boat miles away is useless in an entrapment situation, the person might drown before you get there.

RYA consensus is to the right the boat asap, how best to do this depends on the type of boat. Things would probably go like this: see the boat go over, count heads and see only one, raz it over, get on the radio for help if I can still only see one person, clip rib onto boat and help the other sailor get the boat up asap by jumping on the daggerboard.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 10 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Alistair426

I think people are confusing
'getting away with it' with 'proper rescue cover'.


Inland, in moderate wind, you might, with an
experience driver, be able to render some assistance. But
add high winds and waves and then you need a driver to
concentrate on driving. What if you are single-manning
and have to get in the water? Which brings me to the
point of rescue crew, neither of whom are dressed to get
in the water....but that is a whole 'nother thread


 



i'd agree with alistair

there is also the idea of changing attitudes and
mindsets

back when i was sailing actively (15 or so ) years ago (
job and lack of cash got in the way (plus the way in
which the uni scene is so rah!)

used to get looked at funny for wearing appropriate kit
when doing rescue boat duties i.e. dressed to enter the
water rather than hiking kit with a BA as some of the
others did ...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 10 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by narc

A single manned rib can do a lot as long as
it is small enough to reach boats and people without
leaving a reasonable driving position, it's gets more
difficult otherwise.

I spent 2 summers with Sunsail where they single man all
their ribs and never had an issue with any situation I
had to deal with being alone be it hobie cats, sport 16s
or RS800s. 2 people would have made it easier but I would
take 4 ribs single manned over 2 ribs double manned; the
coverage the extra boats provides response time will be
much improved and if 2 people are needed to sort
something out the driver can quickly get on the radio.
It's perfectly possible to right capsized cats and
inverted boats by yourself.

I would support more boats single manned than fewer boats
double manned. For the same amount of boats teh question
of double and single manned is a no brainer.


the fundamental problem arises when your 'casualty' is
not a boat but is a person , here a double manned rescue
boat with the crew appropriately dressed to enter the
water is what will prevent the OOD / person in charge,
Commodore /principal and any employed manager from
tapping the boards in the coroner's court.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 10 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by asterix

I agree - you need to move fast.  Having only one in the rib then leaves you in a real mess, but hopfully at last everyone survives


errr the bit were you add the word "hopefully" into any statement regarding potential serious injury or loss of life is the bit were you need to start insisting on double-manned boats, not picking on your asterix but been reading this thread for a while and can't really see the need for such a debate..... single manned boats provide coverage of big areas, double-manned boats are the only way forward in any sort of rescue situation, both during and after the rescue... ask yourself this, who's going to help the injured sailor with the suspected broken arm/dislocated shoulder/cut head/heart attack while you're driving back to the shore if you're on your own?
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Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by narc

A single manned rib can do a lot as long as
it is small enough to reach boats and people without
leaving a reasonable driving position, it's gets more
difficult otherwise.

I spent 2 summers with Sunsail where they single man all
their ribs and never had an issue with any situation I
had to deal with being alone be it hobie cats, sport 16s
or RS800s. 2 people would have made it easier but I would
take 4 ribs single manned over 2 ribs double manned; the
coverage the extra boats provides response time will be
much improved and if 2 people are needed to sort
something out the driver can quickly get on the radio.
It's perfectly possible to right capsized cats and
inverted boats by yourself.

I would support more boats single manned than fewer boats
double manned. For the same amount of boats teh question
of double and single manned is a no brainer.


the fundamental problem arises when your 'casualty' is
not a boat but is a person , here a double manned rescue
boat with the crew appropriately dressed to enter the
water is what will prevent the OOD / person in charge,
Commodore /principal and any employed manager from
tapping the boards in the coroner's court.


+1 one of you MUST be equiped to go in the water
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