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rexw 
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Joined: 05 Jun 07 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
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 Topic: Americas Cup - Dull ?Posted: 03 Jul 07 at 9:47pm |
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it was far from dull , the best cup since 83 , they were both evenly matched , Alinghi just sailed better , I think there were only two races TNZ couldn't have won the rest were anybodies. Any way I think TNZ will be back in 2 yrs , The NZ government have promissed ten million to keep the team together , i have heard Emirates will still be there , I have also heard the 5 kiwis will be joining Russel Coutts and signing with Oracle , I can't wait for the next cup. If it it in 2 yrs it will all be about momentum , unfortunatley new teams will find it hard to get off the ground in time |
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XxLaserChickxX
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Posted: 04 Jul 07 at 9:23am |
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i was on the edge of my seat watchin the last few minutes of that race it was soooooo close far from dull i would say. I take my hat of to TNZ they did so well n congrats to Alinghi.
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Norbert
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Posted: 04 Jul 07 at 9:28am |
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I had the good fortune to watch all the races live on the TV, and sorry i disagree, but in my mind Alinghi didn't sail better. Sure they both made mistakes but on balance i believe ETNZ were the better crew. The big difference was the boats. Alinghi just accelerated quicker than ETNZ. Off the start line, out of tacks, ETNZ was never going be able to beat Alinghi in any tacking dual. The narrowness of the NZ hull meant that energy was wasted in heeling before accelerating. The heart was always with ETNZ winning, but sorry New Zealand Alinghi winning means that it will be held in Europe again. That's my opinion anyway!! |
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Laser 173312
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Posted: 04 Jul 07 at 10:28am |
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I agree Norbert. Alinghi had the boat, ETNZ the crew. And whilst I wanted ETNZ to win, the cup will grow bigger by remaining in Europe. The next edition will probably be in 2 years as a challenger of record has already been signed. The rumour mill has it that it's Origin, but we'll know tomorrow when the announcement is made. I wonder if we’ll see some of the cup on terrestrial TV with a British team in it. Rex, which 5 Kiwis are going to join Russel at Oracle? |
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BBSCFaithfull
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Posted: 04 Jul 07 at 11:51am |
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I found it funny when the guy nearly fell out! Shows how much team work is needed in those boats. That whole drop kinda mucked up because of him!
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17mika
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my opinion is that NZL sailed better the first part of the final, but in the last couple of races Alinghi performed better overall. Butterowrth had great timing in his decisions (i beleieve that the taking duels in the last 2 races were won by alinghi also beacuse of their ability/luck to take the right wind shifts).. all the gybes/hoists etc vere perfect (we can't say the same for nzl). I mean, whithout some avoidable mistakes NZL probably would have won 2 of the last 3 races.. but they've done them, and the cup is over. In the end I'd say that in the whole series the crews were similar, and alinghi boat was slighly faster.
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Laser 173312
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Posted: 04 Jul 07 at 2:10pm |
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It was odd the way Alinghi romped away down wind in the first race, but by the last race ETNZ seem faster off the wind. The change to symetrical kites seemed to give the boats more options and be easier to handle.
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rexw
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Posted: 05 Jul 07 at 12:11am |
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How has Europe overall reacted to the Cup overall , has it created a lot more interest over there . I must say at times it seemed strange having a home defender and a challenger in the cup. If I was Swiss I would find it strange having to go to another country to see your team race
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Contender443
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Posted: 05 Jul 07 at 7:58am |
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Nationalities have very little do to with it this time. It only porivides a front which is based in the tradition of the cup. As has been said earlier the Kiwi's had 2 boats in the Americas Cup and it was the one associated with cowbells that won. Does anyone know how many Swiss people were on Alingi? |
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craiggo
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Posted: 05 Jul 07 at 9:05am |
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The problem with the AC are the design rules. Yet again a group of rule makers have cobbled something together hoping to get a wide spectrum of designs but have unwittingly produced a set of rules which have ultimately ended up with everyone sailing pretty much the same boats. The other problem is the boats have tended to be extremely narrow and lightweight with 23 of the 24tons down at the bottom of the keel. While the boats might be quick, their narrowness to a great extent hides this. To be honest I found the in-port races in the Volvo far more interesting.
IMHO I think the weight rule needs to be heavily revised to force more of the weight back up into the hull, this should force some beam back into the boats and may provide some interesting design concepts to reduce wetted area while mainting heeling stability. Unfortunately the rules arnt likely to change significantly in the short term and given the likely selection of Valencia for 2009, the boats are going to be further optimised to all be like Sui100. What we want is the return of the whacky races ! Paul |
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