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    Posted: 04 Jan 07 at 8:45am

Yes it makes sense - but why is it necessarily a shame?

What is the first bit of advice that is normally doled out on this what boat thread - chose what is sailed at your club...you can't have it both ways!
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IMVHO it is a shame as when "better" boats come out it takes so long for people to change class. For example we still have 2 Bosses sailing at the Nationals. Personnally I feel the sail a boat they sail at your club is a good starting point for people new to the sport... I figure by the time you are looking at a RS700 you are pretty well up the learning curve !!!
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Depends on your definition of "better"

The 700 is an active and growing class, with a number of design features (compromises in the eyes of the 'pure' skiff sailor) which tailor the boat to be more accessible for newcomers to singlehanded skiff sailing. 

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Better boats: Boss -> 49er (49er is more advanced)

The ISO was a great boat when it came out but now looks very outdated. Modern construction techniques mean we can build stiffer lighter boats, controlled with better blocks and ropes with more advance sail cloth set on more responsive masts...

 
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Its difficult to argue that people who sail Bosses and ISO's should ditch their boats and sail 49ers (for the Boss) or one of the millions of single wire assymetrics (for the ISO).  They are excellent entry level boats to get into quick sailing - something the 49er is not. 

The 49er isn't the be all and end all
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Not to mention the cost of 49er ownership and the lower crew weight...

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I am not sailing the 49er is the be all and end all, I am saying it is a far more developed boat than the Boss. If you were good enough to sail a 49er and had the choice (taking the cost factor out) between a boss or a 49er, honestly, which would you want to sail????
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That is a big if atm  .Taking away cost i would probably say 49er.

However i am led to believe that a boss takes weight better, which is something many can't avoid (especially the lankier among us ).

Furthermore cost is such an issue to many of us amateurs that whilst it may be a shame that people havn't upgraded, it isnt necessarily feasible for everyone to trade in their Boss/5k and then find the extra funds for a 49er.
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There are plenty of "far more developed" boats out there but people enjoy their own boats.  You can't write off boats because someone may have released a better designed version. 

Its difficult to take away cost and technique factors in this, as they are so vital to the choice.  Minus cost and skill factors, I'd sail either a 12ft Skiff or 18ft Skiff.  Sadly I have not the cash currently to buy either, or the skill to sail them... I've sailed an 18 but I was definitely the "3rd man". 

But clearly out of the two, the 49er is the better boat.  Just not as accessible. 
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Originally posted by Hobbo

Not to mention the cost of 49er ownership and the lower crew weight...

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The 49er IS exspensive there is no two ways about it! Also given the 49er is a much more crew orianted boat, its very physical and is not a boat you can just step into and sail well! I sail a 14 and a 49er and they are both maintenence hungry! Probably why boats like the boss and iso are favourable as you do not have to spend you're time repairing them etc.
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