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    Posted: 18 Apr 06 at 10:14pm

Perceived wisdom has it that the 'optimum' two-up crew weight for F16 is around 130-140Kg.

I've sailed with a total all up weight of around 160Kg on a couple of occasions and had expected the boat to feel sluggish and underpowered but in fact in 15 knots of breeze we were still twin wiring upwind!

There are some quite heavy crew combinations in the F16 fleet but the boat seems to handle it better than many people would expect. However, I have to say that I wouldn't want to always sail with 167Kgs!

F18 may be a better option for you Suede, although, as you say, it doesn't give you the solo option..........

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I've not sailed a Spitfire or F16, but used to sail Condors/Hurricane 4.9s with my dad when I was 10-16ish. I loved it. Assuming the modern 16 foot cats are no harder to sail, then I can assure you that they are really easy to sail and pitchpoling is very rare indeed. At the other end of the scale there was a couple of guys at my club who topped 40 stone between them, you can't manage that in many dinghys!

PS Can you sail the Spitfire under main alone?

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I have not seen anyone sail Spitfires under main alone, doesn't mean you can't though.

I don't think it was a feature that was thought about when they were designed but I may be wrong.

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I can't imagine that a Spitfire would sail particularly well under main only. The Spitfire jib is large compared to a boat designed as an F16. Removing the jib would unbalance the boat much, much more than it does on an F16 design.

This doesn't mean it can't be done, it just means it wouldn't be competitive. Boats like the Stealth and Blade are just as fast solo with main only as the sloops are two-up. This has been demonstrated many times at F16 meetings, in all conditions, where sloops and unis race each other on elapsed time.

The only real differences between F16 sloops and unis is that if you know you are likely to sail solo most of the time, you order a uni mainsail (flatter). Whereas the standard for most people is to have a sloop mainsail and use loads of downhaul to flatten it for solo sailing.

 

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I thought a stealth was a singlehanded spitfire, at least in hull shape?



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Originally posted by Dead Air

I thought a stealth was a singlehanded spitfire, at least in hull shape?

No, you're thinking of a "Shadow".

Stealth hulls are nothing like any other cat that I know of. They are flat bottomed, with max buoyancy low down, max rocker aft, domed transoms and the hulls are canted at 4.5 degrees.

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What revision of the stealth are you sailing as John has made many improvements since the concept boat. I know of one stealth up here but i think it is an older boat and it was vastly different to the one John raced at Dalgety bay SC two years ago

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What revision of the stealth are you sailing

My Stealth is 3 yrs old. There have been 4 generations of the Stealth since the prototype 6 yrs ago AFAICR. Mine is therefore 3rd gen or first full F16.

The essential piece of info though is that the hull shape has not changed. There were minor (cosmetic) alterations to the first boats and then the Stealth R. The R then became the Stealth F16 with just rig and width changes (hulls the same as the R).

Then in 2003 the moulds were damaged in an accident and so the new bow shape was developed (still using the original mould but repaired). So the basic hull shape is unchanged. In 2006 the mould has been changed again to do away with the domed transom which was causing rudder alignment problems, but the original hull shape is, again, unchanged.

Early Stealth F16:

2006 Stealth F16:

Note the straighter bow and flatter foredeck line. Also the stem has now been reversed in line with modern cat thinking. This is a function of the increased volume low down in the hull combined with the changed deck line. The 'old' boat got round this by having the deckline built up at the bow.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Worthy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 06 at 10:27am
I have never sailed either a stealth so I can't really comment about the boat.  But one thing is for sure - it is one of the few cats in the UK that you can put up the mast single handed.  This is ideal if you are thinking about sailing single handed lots.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 06 at 10:43am

Blade F16 is very sweet.

Email Scott McCook at Pro-sail asia - he is allegedly exporting a few of the malaysian made ply & epoxy boats over to europe this summer.  Comes complete with a great big square top main too and you get to do Cherub style fiddling if you like.

The guy in Singapore with the Blade has virtually nil sailing experience and copes just fine.  Key thing is to get the righting technique learnt after a capsize.

(I still bought a 29er but that is another story)

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