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    Posted: 01 Dec 18 at 9:53am
I don't think GRP Ents are all as bad as suggested, sure some will be and an old one will probably have taken some weight but there are lots out there (far more than Gulls and Comet Zeros) so you might well find a good one. You know enough about boats to walk away from a dodgy one. I haven't sailed the others but the Gull, at least, is a tried, tested and well respected design so you'd do fine with one of those (but would the same caveats apply as with an old GRP Ent? Not sure but it's considerable smaller and only 8kg lighter).

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Your logic is Flawless Sam Spoons. I think once I have moved it is a case of seeing what comes up. I repaired a holed West 11 once and was shocked how flexible the panels were and so by extension how hard it is to make flat GRP panels stiff when you have to get down to the weight of the original wood design.

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Worth adding that it's not going to have to cope with the same rig loads as a racing boat and modifications to correct problems would be fine as taking it out of class isn't an issue.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Worth adding that it's not going to have to cope with the same rig loads as a racing boat and modifications to correct problems would be fine as taking it out of class isn't an issue.
Yes that had crossed my mind. I still ultimately, ultimately want a lug rigged boat. So slightly different GRP Ent, hole in the foredeck just aft of the bulkhead, bit if reinforcement and a free standing lug rig, warming to this plan.
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That Ent' looks nothing like mine, the Thwart on mine is across centre board case, can see why there was flexing with this layout, I suppose you could move it ? There are no bits of wood under side decks either, never seen this particular layout.
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Posts: 3400 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 18 at 1:42am
I can't recall ever seeing an Ent with the front thwart crossing the CB case (wouldn't that be out of class? I've seen them with it at the extreme front of the case on a FRP boat), pics please 432zero Thumbs Up, and all Ents baring the Rondar Mk3 have knees supporting the side deck, they are GRP on some GRP/FRP boats but they are always there. 
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I presume that 432zero is talking about the the Ent in the OP, i.e. this one, 



It doesn’t look like any of the other Ents I have seen either. Whether wood, GRP or FRP most generally look very similar layout wise save for with tanks or airbags. 

This type are rarely for sale from which I can assume they weren’t popular so not many where made or they didn’t last, both good reasons to avoid them. 

There is one GRP one for sale the moment where the vendor has been very honest and posted all sorts of pictures of structural failures, the boat is only £80. It is hard to tell from the pictures exactly where the damage is other the the cockpit floor. 





People are equally honest with wooden boats and is generally water damage to the foredeck that is the issue. Because Ents don’t have tanks if they are stored bow up they wooden one probably last, not like GP 14 where the transom is suspect due to the aft tank. I think the point I am making is a wooden Ent is probably not a bad proposition, foredeck damage is easy to spot and relatively easy to repair.
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Ah, yes, I'd forgotten the old Holt GRP WRT the 'knees' under the side decks. But the thwart is still bifurcated by the CB case and board. There is obviously some flexibility in the positioning of the thwart(s), the internal layout used to be strictly to plan and pretty much as in the one above but I've seen them at the extreme front end of the CB case and the after thwart is absent on the Rondar mk3.
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Tink,
That's the boat, wooden layout different on mine the 2 thwarts are both fixed to centre board case, centre/aft front block was attached to back block.
Perhaps it's a regional thing but I have only seen Ent's with same layout has mine, wooden boats excepted.
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It looks like it would be where the crew sit and they would have to straddle it, tacking must be a proper dance. Can’t see it being much use as a stiffener, it being cut in half and all. Clearly it wasn’t a brilliant idea as it has become extinct. 
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