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    Posted: 31 May 18 at 12:00pm
I suppose it's a bit like going to a gym, the scenery is rubbish but it's just up the road. Not for me mind you, I totally fail to see the point of an exercise bike when I can get on a real one and actually go somewhere.......
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About 10 years ago Littleton SC (just a stones throw from QMSC) had a hire fleet of RS200s, they were hired for a season, hirers could take them to opens as well. Looking at their website they dont seem to have 200s any more but have other classes.....

http://www.littletonsc.co.uk/sailing-activities/boat-hire/

Maybe this is a nice halfway house?
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Originally posted by chris_wht

Originally posted by H2

I am sure that people have seen it but if your interested look at the Queen Mary site to see what they are doing on P&P - select membership costs £250 to join and then £79 per month for unlimited use of a range of kit and discounted training. This is as close as it gets to joining a gym but works due to proximity to London as a major factor.


£1200 a year to sail on a concrete bowl next to slough  Pinch

thats serious dedication to the sport!

is it?

lets look at the numbers...

say you race/sail an aero 9 for 5 years on that rental scheme thats £6k

now go out and buy one thats £7.5k
insure it over that period is another £900
period membership £1545
5 years of boat parking £895
running costs £250
new sail £500
resale value £4500

total £7090 (conservative costings here and doesn't account for inflation)

i'll take the pay and play please.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I suppose it's a bit like going to a gym, the scenery is rubbish but it's just up the road. Not for me mind you, I totally fail to see the point of an exercise bike when I can get on a real one and actually go somewhere.......

Sure - but when you go to the gym you can also chat to other people and maybe get lucky whereas I bet you cant do that on your bike in lycra (MAML???)
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Well, I don't know about getting lucky (42 years married this week) but the conversation is good, there's usually coffee and cakes at the far end and I don't wear lycra (not visibly at least)  Thumbs Up
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Hi Oli
Agree with your figures but at the Dinghy show I attended an RYA clubs seminar and QMSC did a presentation and what has actually happened is people after a few years have bought there own boats and converted to normal club membership. So the club (if you can call QMSC a club) wins all round.
I tried to present the idea of this new membership type to my club as something we should be thinking about and got shot down in no uncertain terms, probably didn't do my best promotion job I must admit.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Well, I don't know about getting lucky (42 years married this week) but the conversation is good, there's usually coffee and cakes at the far end and I don't wear lycra (not visibly at least)  Thumbs Up

Congrats on 42 years - I am coming up on 20 which seemed an achievement till I heard that!! The "hooking up with people" comment was a bit of a joke but I do think that for the younger generation being a member of QM Select may well be a social opportunity to meet like minded people at the weekend in the same way as many of my friends seriously go to the gym to get a date. I am sure this is not the number one reason people join but all too often sailing can be "show up, rig, race and dash home" whereas as a select member you have a better chance of meeting other select members which must be a draw when you are lonely in the capital.
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Originally posted by chris_wht

Originally posted by H2

I am sure that people have seen it but if your interested look at the Queen Mary site to see what they are doing on P&P - select membership costs £250 to join and then £79 per month for unlimited use of a range of kit and discounted training. This is as close as it gets to joining a gym but works due to proximity to London as a major factor.


£1200 a year to sail on a concrete bowl next to slough  Pinch

thats serious dedication to the sport!

Have you seen what it costs to hit a little white ball around a field near to London?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 18 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Gordon 1430

Hi Oli
Agree with your figures but at the Dinghy show I attended an RYA clubs seminar and QMSC did a presentation and what has actually happened is people after a few years have bought there own boats and converted to normal club membership. So the club (if you can call QMSC a club) wins all round.
I tried to present the idea of this new membership type to my club as something we should be thinking about and got shot down in no uncertain terms, probably didn't do my best promotion job I must admit.

well the option to change to the owner model would always appealing for various reasons, ability to travel/move clubs would be one.

shame they shot it down though, i seriously think the clubs round here could do worse than band together a bit more and come to some consensus on which classes they could each provide on a "gym" basis to help retain the student/young adult demographic. 

They need to either over lap classes and make for larger "river" racing or to make sure they are unique classes for smaller "club" racing.  lasers and solos would be ubiquitous, but fireballs and sprint 15's although having large fleets individually at a couple of clubs are definitely club specific.
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Let's recap, we are talking Pay and Play at existing clubs only ? Commercial centres are not counted in the overall 'possible future' of sailing ?

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