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    Posted: 04 Jun 17 at 9:35am
They do appear to be a newly put together crew.
I find that nose down stance annoying, bigger foils might create more drag, how much time is lost due to Hull dipping.
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No boatspeed makes anyone look like an idiot tactically...

My understanding is that the nose down trim makes for lower aerodynamic drag.
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Aerodynamic drag ! must be a substantial gain to risk dropping nose in.
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No racing due to light winds.
That is like a win for Ben.
Time to get it together, no more light winds forecast for next few days.
I am sure the team will be working all hours.
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The nose down deloads the rudder and they are only allowed 3 degrees of movement in the rudder, so has to be like this. 

BAR are doing a lot better than they were a month ago in all of the testing. A shame NZ picked them, as they are looking like an awesome outfit at the moment. 

All down to the aerodynamics and consistent development. Look what happened in the last cup, got a load more boat speed and were able to turn around the deficit amazingly. 

The strangest thing to me is the amount of teams letting the losing boat split, so much risk doing that!


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Originally posted by 423zero

They do appear to be a newly put together crew.
I find that nose down stance annoying, bigger foils might create more drag, how much time is lost due to Hull dipping.

CJ, Hutton and Freddie have sailed in various combinations for 15+ years, winning stuff from Youth Matchracing to Extreme 40 series. They're as tight as any of the teams.

As Pete Burling said, at this level, dry laps should be the minimum standard. So you're looking for the optimum lift/drag trade-off assuming minimal mistakes. I think it might just be quite hard to sail these boats...
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I wonder how much the crew weight effects balancing the power of the sail?
If you think about it, the grinders are more, purely just power generation by the looks of it (though others have differing other job). Seems daft that they have to cross the boat (so there is a break in power generation) all the time rather than just having a "central" position where they just get there head down and grind, or even a recumbent cycling position to aid aero.
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Seems to be a shambles for BAR gifting the NZs 2 races.
Ben always does better under pressure and he has certainly got that.
Leg muscles are stronger than arm muscles so I suspect BAR are done for.

To win the AC teams have to think right ouside the box.
NZ have that can do attitude.
I hope BEN wins but I don't see it now.
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Whoa, Having seen BAR being cautious I was wondering if NZ might get carried away and break something.
I saw the Kiwis suddenly go Zero Knots on Virtual Eye.
Heard the news about the pitch pole on the live comentary.
No racing tomorrow though I suspect due to very strong winds forecast.
So NZ get time to fix their boat which I suspect they will do unless damage too great.
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Live news link at the moment on youtube.
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