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Do Different 
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 Topic: Olympic InvestmentPosted: 22 Aug 16 at 11:12am |
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Pretty much agree with TT on this one. Especially on diversity. You can argue over details and moral rights & wrongs for ever but there's more than one way to skin a cat but this present system has delivered what it set out to do.
Australia and the USA have long traded on sporting success to boost National pride and to me it seems a good way to go, alongside other aspirational programmes of course. It's all very well throwing money at the bottom buying ( "Terras for all" ) but motivation is at least as important as equipment, if people are inspired & motivated by seeing Medals being won they will seek out the equipment. Spoon feeding is only useful in small doses. I am talking all sports, not only sailing.
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Posted: 22 Aug 16 at 5:41pm |
Are you saying you have seen it or are you just talking sh*te. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 22 Aug 16 at 9:49pm |
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One thing I do know - none of the sailors get rich off the money, most will be in debt. Coaches make a living, I imagine, but could probably earn more in an office selling paperclips to world sailing?
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iiiiticki
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Posted: 22 Aug 16 at 9:53pm |
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Spending all that money did add to the overall medal total but with no general video sailing coverage did it do anything for the sailing cause? When the Brazilian 49er was carried up the beach by enthusiastic fans the commentator seemed to think that the weight of the boat was a problem. Not expert commentary. The daily Y&Y update was excellent however.
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Chris 249
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Posted: 23 Aug 16 at 12:24am |
But the evidence that watching medals being won translates into people actually doing the sport is extremely dubious, to say the least. Look at the sports in which the UK has won most gold and then look at the list of the most popular participant sports - there's not a particularly good correlation. Canoeing is more popular than rowing but has far fewer medals, for example.
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Rupert
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Posted: 23 Aug 16 at 12:57am |
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Canoeing is much easier to have a quick go in, hiring a sit on top for an hour, say. Rowing involves more commitment earlier in the process, so hard to compare whether the Olympics has more effect on it. Too many variables.
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Chris 249
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Posted: 23 Aug 16 at 4:35am |
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Yes, but why? As in, is rowing inherently more difficult than canoeing, or does sports rowing make itself more difficult than canoeing because of the design of the boats that is normally used?
Flatwater rowing seems to (AIUI) get people into full-on rowing shells if they want to row as a sport, whereas canoe builders have been pumping out simple, stable sea kayaks, SOTs etc rather than promoting K1s. Is that a factor????? I haven't had a chance to check it out in detail, but the great decline in rowing as a popular spectator sport in Oz, at any rate, apparently occurred 8 years after the more stable "string test fours" and other boats were replaced for 'normal' racing by modern-style outrigger boats. Apparently coastal rowing, using beamier boats, is booming; as of course are dragon boating and SUPping which aren't Olympic events. There is a chance that I'm just seeing everything from the eyes of someone who believes that the popularity of a sport is closely linked to having easy-to-use kit, but certainly some canoe builders have said that the sport's rise is linked to the advent of cheap plastic boats.
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Posted: 23 Aug 16 at 7:35am |
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I would say that the boom in cycling in the UK demonstrates that high visibility and easy accessibility go hand in hand to increasing participation.
There are of course a few equipment based sports that are extremely difficult to enter without a long period of building up technique. Is that always a bad thing? There are many more running, jumping and throwing sports that anyone can start easily. One size doesn't have to or should be made to fit all. Celebrate the difference  |
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attenborough
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Posted: 23 Aug 16 at 7:45am |
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Interesting comments on coaching and does seem we are better in the 'traditional' boats in each of the Olympics. With Ben Ainslie gone from the Olympics, sailing does need a national treasure the media can latch on to and of current team only one that seems to fit the bill, be talented and have a good personality is Hananh Mills who in my view sailed a better series than even Giles Scott. With the new drive on female participation she also ticks that box so hopefully she will carry on. Most of the boats at the Olympics don't resonate with club sailors so it was disappointing our Laser and especially Radial sailors did do badly.
Finally if we are to maximise returns in sailing may be best to just concentrate on the Finn, Lasers and 470s. |
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jeffers
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Posted: 23 Aug 16 at 7:58am |
So boats that a reasonable proportion of the wider sailing community either dislike or are unreachable? Sounds like a great idea...not Our sport has a lot of diversity, visitors to the club are usually surprised with the variety of boats on offer. I can honestly say that if my only choice to keep sailing was to have a Laser I would have left the sport by now.
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