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    Posted: 22 Feb 16 at 9:21am
The 700 is an awesome boat to sail, people knock it for not being as good as the MPS. I don't think that is entirely the case having sailed both, but they are definitely very different.  The MPS is quite nimble and responsive, certainly well refined. The 700 on the other hand is a real muscle boat, its got loads of power, it's certainly not agricultural but it is less nimble than the MPS. Both are great fun, but they are different characters. Think refined italian supercar vs a corvette. Both will do a quarter mile very fast, the italian might edge it in the corners but the yank in the corvette will certainly be having a blast and might even be faster on the straights.
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18yrs old, 6'3 and about 70kgs...

...a 3.7 probably would not be appropriate in the long term as you are more than likely to get quite a bit heavier? But if your family genetics mean you will stay at that weight a 3.7 could be a good choice.

For £3k you could get a 3.7 purchase and imported. This one is £1150 + import would be about £500?


Other than that what the other post have said is pretty accurate. You are unlikely to get a MPS for £3K. So your choices are RS700, Contender or if you want to go left field a Vortex.
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or an older A-Class or a Shadow Cat.  The A in particular will be a lot of boat for the money, just don't expect it to be competitive against the new foilers and probably best not get too bogged down in the class politics right now either.  
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A Blaze with trapeze ?
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A Blaze with trapeze ?

Might offend a few class traditonalists ... but no reason why it would not work.  I'd set the wings on the narrow setting and use it with an alloy M7 which many older boats still carry.   Would be v.simple to experiment.  It would fly with either the regular 10.4m sail or the 11.5m (Halo) one.

But if you are relatively tall remember the boat is 2.48m wide with wings extended anyway- how much leverage would you want/need ?  btw the last two champions have been 17 year old and a 26 year old.  Both on the tall/lean side - 6'3" and 6'8" you should v.easily plane upwind anyway.

Of the established trapeze boats coupled to a modest budget and all other factors introduced .. I'd go for a half decent Contender.  Good competition, stable used market (makes getting 'in' and eventually 'out' of the class much less hassle), excellent for trapeze experience without too much drama, especially in decent breeze and if you get good true international competiton at just about any level. 

 
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Hello,

A nice video from a french sailor (Gaston 64) trapezing the Halo with a gennaker Wink Wink Wink



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcTeqQzB-X0&feature=youtu.be


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Re:- The Halo above
Good God.... iGRF incoming any moment peeps.......

Personally speaking I would stick a mizzen on it too.


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Looks fun ... nothing wrong with it at all as is being discussed elsewhere people should play and experiment, sail anything offered and play around. 

But I still think we have been proven right in keeping the Blaze family 'single sail' ....   despite all the  'on-trend opinions' offered at the time here - from memory mostly from those sailing in other 'on-trend' classes themselves ....

..... Many eventually voting with their feet and getting back into single sail boats themselves !   LOL 


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Originally posted by Cirrus

Looks fun ... nothing wrong with it at all as is being discussed elsewhere people should play and experiment, sail anything offered and play around. 

But I still think we have been proven right in keeping the Blaze family 'single sail' ....   despite all the  'on-trend opinions' offered at the time here - from memory mostly from those sailing in other 'on-trend' classes themselves ....

..... Many eventually voting with their feet and getting back into single sail boats themselves !   LOL 

guilty.... but don't blame consumers for getting caught up in a fad, Nokia were popular once too....  and al they offered were snap-on covers and 'snake' to pass the time when constipated.  

And worth looking at some figures to back you up....  

Blaze returns on PY are over double that of the D-One and both RS100 iterations combined.

So yep, you were right.  Asymmetric Blaze would have probably flopped ultimately, and lost you your loyal following when both proponents of asymmetric hiking single handers subsequently brought out (more successful and better boat) unarigs.      
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TT a true(ish) way to reflect that point of view (and i'm in no way disagreeing) but i wonder if anyone cares to calculate the ratio of boats sold in the uk to the number of py returns, a slightly more accurate measure of popularity perhaps? And indeed adding in the fact these are "one design" craft and so may only be sailed in a one design fleet and not part of a handicap fleet at all, could a ratio be worked out also for class events? Then some clever maths wizard could look at the two ratios and work out an actual "class popularity" number.  Im sure the data is out there to mine...
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