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jeffers 
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 Topic: Blaze Class for SalePosted: 12 Nov 15 at 1:48pm |
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White formula might not be too happy as they had not long started building them again (unless they will build the hulls still and Hartley sell them).
Good step forward and the hull isn't that heavy really. they could make them lighter (and do and use some lead to bring up to minimum weight IIRC). I don't think the weight saving is that huge. Certainly having carbon wings and mast will likely save more.
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 1:57pm |
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I would expect Hartleys to do the build, can't really understand why they wouldn't. I am not sure weight is a big issue and you can already spec carbon for the mast, boom and outer rack. The supports are still aluminium, which probably makes sense from a mechanical wear point of view. The boats seem to go well in any weather, even the light. Its only big downside is being slowish through the tack - so if the build quality is nailed, Hartleys will do well.
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jeffers
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 1:59pm |
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I see the switch is not until mid-2016 anyway. Might make sense in terms of any existing agreements.
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iGRF
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 2:54pm |
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No point trying to help you lot really is there? A D Zero hull is not that heavy. (But could still be lighter) A Blaze hull is a hernia donor. As are lots of other old junk heaps, it still hasn't sunk in really why 1200 Aeros got sold so quickly despite being a not particularly inspiring sailboat. Read my boat consumer lips.. Sailing Dinghies are far far too heavy! |
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iiiiitick
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 4:19pm |
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That is interesting. I spent some time with Mike Lyons at Calshot a couple of years ago and he seemed a nice sensible man. When Hartley took over Byte they thought it could be a sort of junior feeder class for Supernova but to me that never seemed quite right, however Blaze even has the right colour sails!
The first Hartley Bytes were sold at a very good discount perhaps Blaze enthusiasts should place their orders now!
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 4:48pm |
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GRF There is no doubt that the weight of the Aero has been a big contributor to its performance and its popularity. There is also no doubt that its weight gave some people concerns about robustness, which so far have proved groundless, but lets not forget the blaze is physically a much bigger boat with significant stresses being passed through 15 stone of bloke hiking off a lever balanced on its gunwale. Its also a centreboard boat which adds KG's .
It is reputedly based on an old Ian Howlett I14 design so a bigger starting point. I have no doubt that some weight could be taken out, but the question for any class is whether it would make a significant difference. I guess it would need something like 15-20kg to come out before it would be worthwhile. The Supernova took 12kg out and it has made only a very marginal difference (although boat weights were certainly variable in the early Giles ones and they kept winning!).
Unless the amount of weight to come out of a blaze is significant its not worth bothering with to potentially hit earlier boats. There was reputedly a 'light' blaze development hull built, but Mike never let on what weight it was or even whether it stood up to sailing. Obviously if you started to develop a blaze style boat from here, the shape of the hull and the wing configurations could all be optimised to modern materials and it could be lighter, but by how much we probably will never know. Mike has made iterative changes as he has changed to epoxy and changed builders, which was sensible, but the benefit that Hartleys have is offering a one builder approach and class support with more resource available than Mike had. Weight is not all bad, because like the or Loath them boats such as the Finn and the D-One are not light, but are two of the nicest single handers to sail. As an Aero sailor I appreciate that its lack of mass makes a real difference, but its a very specific design for a specific role. The Blaze is very different and despite its implied tardiness by your comments, its a quicker boat around a corse than any of the lightweight new boys, so its not all bad. Edited by SimonW99 - 12 Nov 15 at 4:53pm |
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jeffers
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 7:02pm |
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Says the man who sails a Solution which weighs 56kg.....real light hull there and that was designed recently so no history there to make it heavy...... |
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Posted: 12 Nov 15 at 10:19pm |
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Short wide and heavy no wonder you think dinghies are too heavy
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salmon80
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 8:25am |
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Price lists for single handers suitable for a 70-75kg sailor:
All boats ready to sail with combi, top and bottom covers and, if applicable, are the hull; rig; (carbon not alloy) sail etc. to have OK (icebreaker) £12800 Blaze £10000 British Moth £7800 Solo (winder) £7500 Supernova £7500 Streaker (Butler) £7200 Aero £7000 D-Zero £7000 Lightning £6400 Laser £6100 Generally carbon = expensive boat but the Blaze stands out as very expensive to me. Conversely the Supernova seems great value - maybe that's why they have 100 registered for next years nats ... |
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Neptune
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Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 9:18am |
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That Ok makes a Musto seem relatively good value at £11,500 inc combi - also fits in your 70-75kg sailor bracket.
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