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    Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 1:25pm
At the risk of going horribly off topic...

There has been interesting research into how much people would spend on a holiday if they could have no memeory of it. The vast majority of people would not value such a holiday as highly as one they could remeber (therefore they would not be prepared to pay as much). A large part of the value of a holiday is therefore in your camera. This indicates that cameras, which are cheap, are undervalued and holidays (by themselves) are over valued.

I think the same is true of boats. As a standalone toy most people would not value most boats at anywhere near what they actually cost to buy new. Th reason they can justify the cost is because of the extra value the Class Association adds. CA membership is about £20 but adds about £5000 to the value of most boats. As most CAs are voluntary, I am not sure that it is a sustainable model for builders to make a living off of volunteers backs.
Until boats can be built for what they are actually worth in their own right, introducing a new design will always be a difficult, but wothwhile, pursuit.   
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Good point, but,
It's not just the 'volunteer management' in a CA that adds value, it is the ordinary sailing members. Half the point of owning a racing dinghy is to race against other people. That is a two way street. We all add something to the whole, and all benefit. The £20 (or £39 for RS) is not the issue, it is x-hundred man hours that others are putting in racing against you!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by RS400atC


Icon has been around long enough now to show it's not going viral.


Eh? Do boats sell virally? We aint going to buy ours until we try it, trying it involves travel, had there been a local dealer the deal would have been done ages ago, as it is, we bumble along, that's why boats don't sell, no market structure.
If there were a network of say 100 dealers, then the job would just be to convince them, not some woolly hatted, weird beard, sandal wearing class halfwit..

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pierre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 3:26pm
Am I missing something here?
Does the RS400 feel threatened by the Icon or something.
The constant negativity from that quarter is getting very wearing.
If there is a personal issue here or something?
The name Jonah springs to mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by Pierre

Am I missing something here?
Does the RS400 feel threatened by the Icon or something.


Well it would be if it had a kite but no wire...
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Originally posted by Ruscoe

I hate this constant no fleets no resale market attitude 


yeah, economics sucks....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 3:59pm
Graeme, speak with Rodders.  he has an Icon and may let you borrow it for a few weeks so you can try it at your leisure.  It may even be for sale.....

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by Ruscoe

I hate this constant no fleets no resale market attitude 


yeah, economics sucks....
Nothing to do with Economics its the attitude which stunts the growth James, the facts behind it really are speculative.

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There looks to be a keenly priced one on the Y&Y classifieds Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by Ruscoe

Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by Ruscoe

I hate this constant no fleets no resale market attitude 


yeah, economics sucks....
Nothing to do with Economics its the attitude which stunts the growth James, the facts behind it really are speculative.

so consumer attitude (behaviour) has no bearing on economic principles?  Interesting...
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