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    Posted: 03 Oct 13 at 11:39pm
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Originally posted by Rupert


Or should we, with the number of classes, and small Nats turnouts for many, be talking about "Class Champions", anyway, for less well attended events? In theory, I am the Minisail National Champ. This does seem a little over the top, having defeated only 9 other people. Class Champion sounds better, doesn't it?


Some more realistic terminology like that would be good. 

It's also a bit silly that some classes (including one I sail and love) can have a "world championship" that has entries from 4 countries, whereas other classes have 25 or more countries at their worlds. Surely the classes with only a few countries represented should have an "international class championships" rather than a "world championships."

ISAF do have criteria, the problem is some are 'extremely' international such as the Laser, OK, 49er and some 'scrape in' and some no longer meet the requirements but used to and should be struck off (usually historical classes) such as 5.5m etc but ISAF are too scared to cut them as they are too well backed by people of high standing and they fear a backlash.
 
Classes do get told to stop using the term 'World' Wayfarer, Albacore and Solo are notable examples
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 13 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by Rupert


Or should we, with the number of classes, and small Nats turnouts for many, be talking about "Class Champions", anyway, for less well attended events? In theory, I am the Minisail National Champ. This does seem a little over the top, having defeated only 9 other people. Class Champion sounds better, doesn't it?


Some more realistic terminology like that would be good. 

It's also a bit silly that some classes (including one I sail and love) can have a "world championship" that has entries from 4 countries, whereas other classes have 25 or more countries at their worlds. Surely the classes with only a few countries represented should have an "international class championships" rather than a "world championships."

 did n't the IYRU /ISAF try to enforce this at one point ? or was  that  a suggestion that only 'International' classes could have  Continental or World champs 
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Originally posted by zippyRN

did n't the IYRU /ISAF try to enforce this at one point ? or was  that  a suggestion that only 'International' classes could have  Continental or World champs 

AIUI ISAF don't worry how many nations turn out for the worlds so long as the class still qualifies as International, which is based on how mamany boats are allegedly sailing in a required number of nations and continents. OTOH the ICF (canoe federation) e.g. IC class does require a minimum no of nations present, but as we might learn from America's Cup history, nationality can be a flexible concept...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 13 at 8:31pm
It seems ISAF allows classes to do as they please in this matter. Regardless of fancy titles given out we all know which ones are hard to win and which are a bit soft ...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 13 at 8:50pm
Well I think Nationals should stick....there aren't that many that are genuninely very soft.  Using the term Nationals get the attention of the average non-sailor, and perhaps give some indication of what it takes to win.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clive Evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 9:30am
There are some classes which have Mickey Mouse nationals with 8-10 boats. I thought it used to be that only RYA national classes could hold nationals

But have to agree we all know that winning the solo, gp14, scorpion, rs###, musto skiff etc nationals is a huge thing
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